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Posted: 07-27-2009, 01:15 PM
Post Subject: H1N1 (Swine Flu) Vax
Considering this is a brand new vaccine that hasn't undergone any real safety trials,
Who's planning on getting this vaccination?
I'm going with a great big NO here (big surprise, I know  ) but I was curious if I was the only one.
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Posted: 08-25-2009, 03:51 PM
Well, I had the exact same question. I read somewhere that the last time they made a vaccination for this swine flu in the 70's there were some bad side effects. I hate to throw that out there with no evidence or a list of what..but it's something I remember. Take it for what it's worth. Anyway - I'm not sure what to do. We are about to have an infant in the house again and my daughter is 22 months. I don't want her to get it...but I worry about the "testing" of this vaccine. Everyones thoughts is appreciated.
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Posted: 08-25-2009, 11:27 PM
I'm not a fan of any flu vaccines. I believe that it is important to vaccinate our children, but the flu shots are just a guess at what strain 'might hit this year.'
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Posted: 08-26-2009, 03:38 PM
I am definitely getting it. My baby will not be old enough but my husband and I will get it so that hopefully if we come in contact with it then we won't give it to her. We will both get the regular flu shot as well. Easier to expirament with yourself than your children though.
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Posted: 08-28-2009, 08:15 PM
OK here is where I am in between. Since my son has autism I am careful with everything he gets. BUT I KNOW for a FACT vaccines did not cause his autism. But it doesnt mean that more chemicals couldnt harm him! The regular flu vaccine does still have mercury in it (although less than the foods we eat). So we dont do the flu vaccine especially since there are many types of flu and the shot only protects against a few types-so your likely to still get the flu. So my question is, is this the same for H1N1?
Now on the other hand- my husband works in a hospital, my daughter is in childcare, and we will have a newborn. All of this putting us in high risk scenarios. I am leaning toward my husband, myself, and possible my 4yo, then baby will be too young and not for son...
I hope to find some info on the autism websites since they will look into right away.
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Posted: 10-13-2009, 11:11 PM
"The regular flu vaccine does still have mercury in it (although less than the foods we eat). So we dont do the flu vaccine especially since there are many types of flu and the shot only protects against a few types-so your likely to still get the flu. So my question is, is this the same for H1N1?"
The seasonal flu vaccines all have Thimerosal in them, except for the live virus nasal spray.
The FDA set the safety limit at 50PPM for vaccines. Yet pregnant women are discouraged from eating too much Tuna, which contains an average of 1PPM mercury (and a different form, too!).
Yes, the H1N1 is an educated guess as which strains to target...and researchers are thinking it will mutate...making vaccination basically useless anyways.
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Posted: 10-15-2009, 09:10 AM
Just would like to clarify that PPM is not a unit of measurement; therefore, it cannot be compared directly - anything expressed in PPM needs to be converted into measurement unit before comparing with smth else. It stands for `parts per million`, so 50 PPM for the vaccine means that if one would divide the volume of the vaccine into 1 mln parts, then mercury should not make more than 50 parts out of those million. The same about tuna - mercury should not exceed 1 millionth part of tuna. Now, if one converts them into comparable measurement units, then it means that 1 dose of vaccine (0.5 ml) should not contain more than 25 micrograms of mercury and 1 serving portion of tuna (appr. 40 grams) should not contain more than 40 micrograms. So, simply put - one serving portion of tuna contains (if FDA regulations followed appropriately) 1.6 times more mercury than one shot of flu vaccine. The rest is the matter of dosage - how many times per year does one get flu vaccine? And how many times per year does one have tuna served? Per month? Per week?
Last edited by Eje; 10-15-2009 at 09:16 AM.
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Posted: 10-15-2009, 05:36 PM
Post Subject: Flu Vax (H1N1)
Can any one reply w/ symptoms your (child/children) experienced after being vaccinated? I have a 2yr old son. I am not sure or better yet educated how my son will react to this vaccine. I am scheduled to get the regular flu shot next week, might get him vaccinated too. I personally believe the CDC put out the H1N1 Vaccine super fast to the general public now that the flu season is here. Please put my mind to ease reply with any comments. Thank you- Gina
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Posted: 10-20-2009, 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Eje
Just would like to clarify that PPM is not a unit of measurement; therefore, it cannot be compared directly - anything expressed in PPM needs to be converted into measurement unit before comparing with smth else. It stands for `parts per million`, so 50 PPM for the vaccine means that if one would divide the volume of the vaccine into 1 mln parts, then mercury should not make more than 50 parts out of those million. The same about tuna - mercury should not exceed 1 millionth part of tuna. Now, if one converts them into comparable measurement units, then it means that 1 dose of vaccine (0.5 ml) should not contain more than 25 micrograms of mercury and 1 serving portion of tuna (appr. 40 grams) should not contain more than 40 micrograms. So, simply put - one serving portion of tuna contains (if FDA regulations followed appropriately) 1.6 times more mercury than one shot of flu vaccine. The rest is the matter of dosage - how many times per year does one get flu vaccine? And how many times per year does one have tuna served? Per month? Per week?
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Ah, but you leave out the important part. Why stop there?
1. Subcutaneous injection versus digestion.
2. Ethyl mercury versus Methyl mercury.
3. Total vaccination versus total ingestion.
The H1N1 multi-dose contains 24.5mcg of Thimerosal (ethyl mercurcy) per DOSE. And people are encouraged to get two shots of the seasonal flu vaccine on top of their H1N1 vaccines. The seasonal flu vaccine (shot, not spray) contains 24.5mcg.
So all told, they are getting in the range of 100MCG Thim in the same time period.
And since pregnant women are not supposed to get the live nasal spray (it sheds up to 21 days) they are getting the shots.
Mmmm, 100mcg of Thim injected past the primary immune system functions (mucousal, digestive, skin).
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Posted: 10-22-2009, 03:32 PM
Has anyone had their own child/children vac w/ either SEASONAL FLU or H1NI FLU shot? How did your lil one react after his/her shot? Did you notice any side effects? I live in the Midwest (KC Kansas) boarder of (KC Missouri) in Missouri the H1N1 has been banned to pregnant moms, not sure if children below a certain age also banned. Any information, on personal exp you may have would be great news to share.
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