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  1. #1
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    I was watching Law & Order SVU the other night. The story line was this (I'll be short with it :

    A mother decided not to vaccinate her child and the kid was like four or something. He contracted the measles and went to a public park before the mother knew he had gotten it. He then passed it on to two infants that were not old enough for the vaccination and the babies died. The mother of the four year old was charged with murder.

    What do you think? I mean, the babies weren't old enough to be vaccinated and it's like, if that child would have been vaccinated, two babies wouldn't be dead.

    Your thoughts? She should have been found guilty of those babies' deaths?

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    I think that she should definitely get charged with murder. She has a responsibility as a parent to either vaccinate her child to protect not only her child but others. i personally think it is irresponsible to not vaccinate your child. i understand some people think it causes autism and thats fine but i would much rather haley have autism than a life threatning disease such as polio. But even if you do not vaccinate your child you also have a responsibility to keep the child away from other children who are not old enough to get vaccinated. this is her fault and because of the stupidity on her part two babies are dead. I know this is fictional but it struck a nerve. I really think some people need to use better judgement.

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    I don't think she should necessarily be charged with murder, but definitely something. Maybe some sort of negligence...negligent homicide?
    Vaccines DO NOT cause autism. There is not one single shred of an ounce of proof of that. Its just parents who need to blame something other than bad genes or bad luck.
    I guess its every person's choice whether or not they vaccinate their children, but I think they ought to be taking into account how their decision will affect everyone their child comes in contact with, NOT just their child.
    I don't see any good reason not to vaccinate your kids, personally.There are far more reasons TO do it than not to do it.
    And also, when someone doesn't vaccinate their kid, and then that kid gets a disease and dies, I'm sure that parent will be blaming everything and everyone under the sun rather than admitting their mistake.

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    Murder? Absolutely not. Murder is defined as the intentional killing of another human being. This scenario hardly presents that mindset. Without commenting on whether vaccinations cause autism, people have very real reasons for not getting their children vaccinated, and they know that they assume the risk that their children might contract diseases and die. The reason that we vaccinate our own children is so they won't. Here, you had a freak situation where the children were too young to have the vaccination (I would be curious to know HOW YOUNG they were). We vaccinate because other people don't, either by choice or by circumstance, and that is a fact, too. Tragic that the babies were too young? Yes. But the argument could be made that people who do intend to vaccinate their children should quarantine THEIR CHILDREN, because they don't know what is out there in the world, but measles is. If they don't want their children to contract it, they need to wait until they have their children vaccinated until they introduce their children to a world that doesn't CARE how young they are, what their parents intend to do when they get old enough, and how vaccinations might be viewed by different groups. Just my two cents.
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    The whole SUV episode was as ridiculous as the Eli Stone episode. It's full of mis-information and scare-mongering and as a previous post said, is based around a hypothetical and rare possibility.
    The actual percentage of people (adults included) who are up do date on their MMR is so ridiculously low that it is impossible to say that the infant in question that died was the result of one SPECIFIC child who happened to have measles. The infant could have gotten it anywhere. Children don't die from measles unless they have immune deficiencies (particularly those who have low amounts of vitamin A in their systems) and if your child is that immunocompromised, you shouldn't have them out in public where they can contract ANY severe illnesses.
    I also hated the underlying 'you're a bad parent if you don't vaccinate' message. You're not a bad parent for researching and deciding that vaxes are not for you. So, No. It was ridiculous that the mom was even charged with murder.
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    First of all, I think it IS a good thing to question vaccines. We should not be so gullable to just accept it. Find out all your information. I did question my pediatrician about vaccines. I should, I am a concerned parent and I make the choices.

    So no, I do not think she should be held liable. I think accidents happen. But all to sad, accidents in this country are followed up by arrests.
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    I think that she should have not been charged at all. Some of my kids are not vaccinated because I believe that the one vaccine almost killed my kid. Should I sacrifice my kids life to protect other kids from something my kid might not come in contact with. There are many reactions that kids could get from vaccines. Autism might or might not be caused by vaccines. They have not done enough research to prove that vaccines don't cause autism. They have not done enough research to prove that vaccines don't kill babies. They say that they are safe but they don't test them enough. The doctors wouldn't even look at that as a cause because vaccines are the miracle drug that will save the world. So well I sat at the bed side of my baby that was less then a week old watching them pump her full of antibiotics, iv fluids. and doing more tests then should be needed they try to tell me I needed to endanger her life again to protect the other kids. No I will not endanger my kids lives again to protect others from something my child might never get. If I am to be charged with murder to save my child's life so be it but that is a very sad life we live then. Most of these diseases don't always kill the person that got them anyways and they are rare now. Maybe they might come back if we stop vaccinating but I am still not going to kill my kids for that. Sorry but my job is to protect them. The child I almost lost from this has never had a problem since I stop vaccinating.
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    Man, the person above me put it so brutal lmfao. Well I think that yeah she was charged well, she knew her child was suppose to be vaccinated and still went about her life, that’s why she was charged as a murderer. She was completely aware of her situation and 2 infants died due to her irresponsibleness. So yea, PEOPLE PLEASE VACCINATE YOUR CHILD!

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    I thought this would be relevant
    http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/art...?artid=2553651
    It explains tort law in relation to vaccination very well
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    JMJ10 DID YOU get your children vaccinated? I've been holding off on gettin my kid vacinated. and I today I was considering it. but my gut tells me to hold off a bit more.

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