Baptism

[War_Eagle]

You silly little man - I don't look like a fool at all. Just because I am educated and can take you to turn.

Right. You're so "educated" that you don't even know the difference between Mormonism and Christianity, the Apocrypha from the Bible, and don't know that all Baptists are evangelicals.

If you're "educated", then Jasmine must be an English scholar.

[bvas81]

It is "unbiblical" because the point of baptism is to wash away sin. Babies are as innocent as you can get. There is no sin to wash away.

Ok, you see that I understand. thanks. So, why do so many people do it? I thought I read somewhere they meant original sin in reference to "adam and eve". or something along those lines.

[jasmine89]

war_eagle......Infant baptism is the Christian religious practice of baptizing infants or young children. In theological discussions, the practice is sometimes referred to as paedobaptism or pedobaptism from the Greek pais meaning "child." The practice is sometimes contrasted with what is called "believer's baptism", or credobaptism, from the Latin word credo meaning "I believe", which is the religious practice of baptizing only individuals who personally confess faith in Jesus, therefore excluding small children.

The basic theology of Christian denominations often varies (see Material principle). For this reason, the meaning of baptism itself and infant baptism in particular depends greatly upon the Christian tradition to which the baptismal candidate belongs.

Presbyterian and Reformed Christians contend that baptism is not a mere symbol, but actually conveys grace. The grace it conveys, however, is not justifying grace. It may convey sanctifying grace or some other kind of grace. Baptism, according to this tradition, does not produce Christians, but it identifies the child as a member of the covenant community. Some adherents of the Federal Vision theology disagree, however, regarding instead a Christian as one who is a member of the covenant community. Yet all would agree that being a member of the covenant community does not guarantee salvation; though it does provide the child with many benefits, including that of one's particular congregation consenting to assist in the raising of that child in "the way he should go, [so that] when he is old he will not turn from it".[30]

[War_Eagle]

yeah i was asking war_eagle..but war_eagle did you know While there is no scriptural evidence, some believe that infant baptism is the New Testament form of circumcision.

Yes, I know that. I debate paedobaptists all the time. However, there isn't a shred of Biblical evidence to support that opinion. In fact, circumcision and baptism have two entirely different purposes.

The New Testament nowhere describes baptism as the New Covenant replacement for Old Covenant circumcision. The New Testament nowhere describes baptism as a sign of the New Covenant. It is faith in Christ that enables a person to enjoy the blessings of the New Covenant.

[cay8099]

Baptism does not remove sin. It cannot remove sin.

My bad. I forgot the symbolize. Baptism is meant to symbolize the washing away of sin. I'm sure everyone else understood that this is what I meant. Everyone pretty much understands that many religious ceremonies are symbolistic. I didn't realize I would be "attacked" for not being literal.

[brandie1127]

Of course I did. I've said that paedobaptism is Unbiblical all along.

My point is that she made no reference to pedobaptism, she did however reference a dedication ceremony, which as you stated you Clearly know the difference.
so when you were stating that pedobaptism is unbiblical - it was an unneccessary argument.

Because NOBODY was talking about pedobaptism.


For all those women that war_eagle is trying to dummy down by his grasp of the english language pedobaptism is baptizing babies.

[jasmine89]

you must have short man syndrome....i was nOt going over what i was writting cuz i was writting to fast.A&&CRACK..AN I DID NOT FEEL THE NEED TO.

[War_Eagle]

war_eagle......Infant baptism is the Christian religious practice of baptizing infants or young children. In theological discussions, the practice is sometimes referred to as paedobaptism or pedobaptism from the Greek pais meaning "child." The practice is sometimes contrasted with what is called "believer's baptism", or credobaptism, from the Latin word credo meaning "I believe", which is the religious practice of baptizing only individuals who personally confess faith in Jesus, therefore excluding small children.

The basic theology of Christian denominations often varies (see Material principle). For this reason, the meaning of baptism itself and infant baptism in particular depends greatly upon the Christian tradition to which the baptismal candidate belongs.

Presbyterian and Reformed Christians contend that baptism is not a mere symbol, but actually conveys grace. The grace it conveys, however, is not justifying grace. It may convey sanctifying grace or some other kind of grace. Baptism, according to this tradition, does not produce Christians, but it identifies the child as a member of the covenant community. Some adherents of the Federal Vision theology disagree, however, regarding instead a Christian as one who is a member of the covenant community. Yet all would agree that being a member of the covenant community does not guarantee salvation; though it does provide the child with many benefits, including that of one's particular congregation consenting to assist in the raising of that child in "the way he should go, [so that] when he is old he will not turn from it".[30]

Looks like you've gone from paedobaptism to plagiarism.

[bvas81]

Baptism does not remove sin. It cannot remove sin.

If I'm not mistaken I think you said something like "all baptism does is get you wet.".... yes? Why do people do it?

[cay8099]

Ok, you see that I understand. thanks. So, why do so many people do it? I thought I read somewhere they meant original sin in reference to "adam and eve". or something along those lines.

Mostly Catholics do it. It's just what there religion believes. Many different religions believe in many different things, and they each have their own ceremonies that mean something to their particular faith. Catholics do not believe that infant baptism is unbiblical. The Bible, much like shakespeare, is open to interpretation.