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Before They're Old Enough For The Identity Crisis

By Mighty Maggie on Thursday, June 25, 11:03 am EDT

In case we haven’t yet met, my name is Maggie [pasty white girl] and I am married to Phillip [The Devastatingly Handsome Chinese Man] and we have two small children, Jackson and Molly [half Caucasian, half Chinese, who don't look like their parents OR each other.] Here they are:


Jack and Molly welcome their Internet Stalkers!

Before we had kids I did a lot of handwringing over parenting mixed-race children, especially as I was going to be the Majority Parent. Angst! Drama! Fervent blog reading! Then we actually HAD the kids and, well, maybe this is wrong, but their half and half-ness is on the back burner. We're much more concerned about what happens when a person subsists solely on macaroni and cheese, and how to get the baby to stop shrieking in public places. (Like CHURCH. Seriously. SUGGESTIONS WELCOME.)

Even though it's not quite the big deal I was sure it would be (yet, anyway) I'm still a touch neurotic about exposing my kids to the appropriate things. My husband doesn't seem all that concerned (mothers trying to expose their children to their father's culture on their own: raise your hands!) so every once in a while I awkwardly announce that we should visit the Chinese relatives in Canada. Or go to the Chinese New Year celebration downtown. Or go eat dim sum. OR SOMETHING.

Language is my biggest concern. Having a bit of Mandarin or Cantonese in your pocket seems like a good idea even if you don't have any Chinese in you. My husband only knows enough to order in restaurants, so I was relying on my in-laws to speak Chinese around the grandkids. Except they didn't. My mother-in-law even wanted to be called “Grandma” instead of “Ma Ma” (which is what you'd call your father's mother in Cantonese) because it sounds too much like “mama.”

I totally understand that. And I can sympathize with my mother-in-law, who was more concerned about her sons speaking perfect English and being Americans than learning their parents’ first language. But at their house this weekend I finally said, “You know? It'd be awesome if you spoke more Chinese around the kids. It seems like Jack is learning a dozen new words every day and I know he'd pick it up!” HINT HINT.

Suddenly EVERYTHING was in Chinese and I realized, as the native English speaker in the room, that I hadn't quite thought this through. It’s no fun not being able to participate in the conversation! Then my mother-in-law confided that Jack already knows a few Chinese words. He says “boh boh!” to be lifted up out of the crib and “boh boh!” when his tummy is full.

”Uh,” I said to my mother-in-law, “that's the same word.”

”No, it isn't,” she said, and demonstrated. “Boh boh!” and “Boh boh!”

My stare was blank. She repeated herself several more times, but I could never hear the difference in tones. “Oh,” she shrugged, giving up on me, “Jack knows.”

And I had no idea. My heart fairly burst with pride. My baby! Learning a new language! On his own! Without me knowing! And then a bit of sadness. My baby! Has a secret mommy-proof language!

I'm really hoping my in-laws continue to speak Mandarin and Cantoneses around my kids. I really think it’s important, and not just because one day they’ll want to test out of the foreign language requirement in college. Speaking the language, or even knowing a few phrases to share with your Chinese grandparents, would be such a strong connection to their heritage.

Any moms out there trying to educate their children about a culture different from their own? I'd love to hear how you’re making it work.

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6/25/2009 at 12:09 pm
My in-laws speak Cantonese 98% of the time in their normal lives, so they also primarily speak Cantonese around my kids. Ethan is barely understandable even in English, so who knows if he's catching on to anything or not, but I think he probably will some day. Then I plan to use him as a spy to tell me what's going on and what his grandparents are saying :) I did have one realization the other day- I was reading a magazine article about women in the workplace, and they had a whole section on minority women. And I skimmed it, because it doesn't apply to me, being a middle class white woman. And then I stopped in my tracks and had the shocking thought that my daughter is a minority woman. Of course, I always knew that, but I don't think it really sunk in until I read the article. Hopefully she wont face problems because of her minority woman status, but she might. And it's not something I can relate to. Which is really strange to think of. Hope that made sense. I'm very sleep deprived :)


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Stephanie
I also am a pasty white girl
6/25/2009 at 12:22 pm
I also am a pasty white girl and my husband is hispanic. We have two little girls who right now are really to young to care about their heritage, and I honestly forget most of the time that they are mixed race-until we visit my husbands family! I totally know the feeling of not being part of the conversation (I speak no spanish and they speak no english)! My husband speaks spanish to our girls most of the time because we really want them to speak both languages. I don't know if it will work since I stay home and speak english to them all day. We also eat A LOT of mexican food! My husband makes traditional stuff on a regular basis and I hope that will expose them to their heritage in some sort of way. I think just being with the mexican side of the family will teach them more about who they are. Good luck!


Bi-Racial...wha??!
6/25/2009 at 2:04 pm
Mama, I FEEL YOUR PAIN. I'm pasty white girl, married to seriously handsome Chinese man, with two kids (BBJ aged 2 and Siu Jeun age 6 mo.) I KNOW I'm more neurotic about teaching the kids Chinese than he is...mostly because he looks at us and sees White People...which, of course, forces White People Words to come out of his mouth. We do have one advantage - I am fluent in Cantonese. Still...that means that our daughter speaks pidgin CantoneseEnglish with a bad accent. *sigh* PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE come over to my blog, listed above. Every Tuesday I have "China Talk Tuesday" and talk about all things Chinese Culture. I'd love to see you over there, and we can compare notes on Cantonese speaking Children. (By the way, I think the words your son was saying were "pou pou" (pick up) and "bau bau" (i'm full). Just a guess...because those are the phrases that OUR Ma Ma uses with my two year old. ;-))


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Terri, Alabama
Heritage
6/25/2009 at 4:22 pm
My daughter is half Caucasian, one quarter Hispanic, and one quarter Philippine. We adopted her at birth. Her birthfather is pasty white guy, while her birthmother is an exotic and enticing self-described 'Hispanippino'. While I am not truly fluent, I speak enough Spanish to order in restaurants and get around in Latin America, with enough help from the forgiving and generous locals I have always met. I am teaching her some Spanish, but not enough. My husband, also pasty white guy, is no help at all. Still, we can manage some connection to my daughter's Mexican heritage through our growing local Hispanic population and her birthmother's mother. However, we have no connection whatsoever to the Philippines and that portion of her heritage (birthmother's father is out of the picture). Further complicating the issue, is that my daughter doesn't look Hispanic (or Philippine) at all, even as her birth certificate declares her Hispanic. I hope she will grow to love the cultures of her birth, all three of them. My worry is that because she can 'pass' that one day she may want to.


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Lindsay
That is the cutest picture
6/25/2009 at 10:24 pm
That is the cutest picture ever. I think you should keep encouraging the language thing. Philip's parents are probably genuinely touched that you want your children to be immersed in or at least exposed to their culture. Also I was always jealous of my friends of immigrants who could speak German like their parents. My ancestors are from Britain so I have no second language perks. And yet it means nothing when I try to watch a movie with the likes of Colin Firth or Hugh Grant. I had to put subtitles on for watching Sliding Doors for pete's sake...


Another pasty white girl
6/26/2009 at 5:38 am
married to a handsome Chinese man. My husband is the youngest of 4 and grew up in Indiana in the 1970's. Like your dh he really only knows Cantonese if it pertains to food. I've thought about having our kids learn Cantonese or Mandarin, he's ambivalent. He'd be just as interested in having them learn Spanish or Arabic or some other language. I often read books by Chinese-American authors and then point out things in the book to him that remind me of his family. Once I said "you should totally read this." His comment "I lived it. Why should I read it?" True enough. I've been thinking about the mixed-race marriage and kids thing more lately because I heard a NPR story talking about the Supreme Court case that made mixed-raced marriage legal, Loving vs. Virginia. It was in 1967. That blew me away. My dh was born in 1966 so it was amazing to me that only in his lifetime has it become legal for us to be married. (We live in Virginia.) It's amazing to me that in one generation mixed-race marriage has gone from being at the worst illegal and at the best shocking to being really kind of boring. I also read recently that the fastest growing segment of the population is mixed-race kids. Yes, still a minority but increasing dramatically. For me I think there's a fine line between helping the kids to understand both cultures....and not making too big a deal of it. With my own kids who are young I know they don't really see that there is a difference between me and Daddy. I think that's a good thing, although at the same time I want them to appreciate the Chinese part of them. It is complicated, although like you mentioned most of the time we're more worried about bedtimes and why how much nutritious value can possibly be gotten from a diet of goldfish crackers.


same here
6/26/2009 at 2:22 pm
I totally feel your experience. :-) I'm Sri Lankan/Malaysia (so not white) and my husband is a blond, blue-eyed Dane who looks like a modern Viking. Our daughter looks like him in features, but with an almond tan and dark brown hair, so in between both of us! I'd LOVE for her to grow up speaking both Danish & English, so the spouse tries to speak to her in Danish as often as he remembers, as do my in-laws. (I'm trying to learn, but it's slow going.) My mother speaks our native dialect of Tamil, which I only partially understand, so with everyone speaking to her in other languages, sometimes I'm totally lost! :-) But she seems to understand everyone, so I think it's just fun. What I've started to do to help along the Danish, since I'm the stay-at-home parent, is to say some simple-but-common words in Danish to her, like 'nej' (pronouned "n-EYE") instead of 'no'. It sounds gentler for little things that she shouldn't touch, etc. and I save a louder, harsher 'no' for the really dangerous things. This is working so well both for her and for me learning Danish, that I've been contemplating teaching her more easy Danish words around the house (ie, cat, bath, etc.). As far as culture goes, we eat Danish smørrebørd (open faced sandwiches) just as often as South Indian rice & curry, For the baby's upcoming birthday, we'll go to the local Hindu temple for a blessing, but will have a Danish-style cake; stuff like that. We have other mixed marriages in our family, enough that blending the cultures in our daily life has become autopilot in many ways. Other times, like special occasions, we have to plan the two together, like for the baby's birth blessing; we had a Hindu priest do a typical blessing, but also did an old Viking ritual where the father sprinkles the baby with water and 'names' her.


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Henna red
me too!
6/26/2009 at 2:47 pm
Your children are very cute! I am a very pasty short white woman married to a handsome, tall Indian guy. Our baby looks a lot like him - several shades darker than me - and is exposed to both our mother tongues as well as English (our common language) and French, the language of the country we currently live in. So, four in total. So far, at almost fourteen months, she speaks a great majority of her words in my native language, and understands French well. Not too sure about Hindi and English, but it'll come. It's funny - I am also the one who wants to expose her to her daddy's culture, whereas he doesn't care so much. I asked him to pick several Hindu holidays for us to celebrate as a family, he has yet to get back to me on that one.


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Michelle
Raising my hand!
6/26/2009 at 3:45 pm
You put it perfectly! I feel like the only one who seems to be making an effort to teach my 6 year old step-son French, even though I am the only one who DOESN'T speak any! Grandma does her best to make sure she exposes little Q to as much of it as possible. But at home? Forget it. Daddy grew up back and forth between France and the US, so he's completely fluent, but is pretty impatient when it comes to teaching. I want to learn but it's not something you can teach yourself out of a book! Thank god for Dora the Explorer, who apparently teaches French kids English, as well as American kids to speak Spanish. Our biggest hurdle is Daddy's ex-wife, who is not only unhelpful, but discourages little Q from learning any French. I try to give the benefit of the doubt, but it’s hard when he comes home and asks me "Why doesn't Mommy like France??" The best thing we've come up with so far is to make little games out of the words we know, and make Daddy teach us new ones to work on. On walks, we pick some repetitive landmark, (trees, telephone poles, mailboxes, ect) and each time we pass a tree, Q "teaches" me a different French word. It's not the most efficient way to go about it, but he doesn't feel like it’s a chore, which is a huge probelm since he started getting the idea that speaking French isn't any fun.


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Anonymous
I am African-American and my
6/26/2009 at 5:51 pm
I am African-American and my son is half American-Lithuanian (not quite pasty but definitely white). For some reason I never know the ethnicity of people he speaks about until I actually meet them because it isn't something he "has" to see. We live in a majority suburb near a major eastern metropolis and there is a little diversity if you seek it. I don't know when my son will need to pick an identity because there are many children around him that haven't tried to make him 'choose'. A lot different than when I grew up in the midwest.


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Diana
Am mixed race Chinese-American mutt
6/27/2009 at 2:51 pm
My mom is Chinese and my dad is varied European-background American. I didn't learn Chinese growing up. My mom speaks very good English. My mom's side of the family is scattered around the US. I did feel left out of the conversation whenever the family gets together, especially when my name came up. It would have been nice to learn Chinese growing up. It's such a nuanced language, it's much easier to learn when little. But we did eat home-cooked Chinese food regularly and mark Chinese New Year. As far as any discrimination I may have faced, I don't really feel that have faced much in regards to being mixed-race. But I think my Asian features are more subtle. Now I'm married to a varied European-background man and have two children. They both have light eyes and blond/light brown hair. But I try to introduce Chinese stuff to them. My 5 year old knows his grandmother is Chinese and he was born in the year of the Monkey. And I can cook some of my mom's Chinese recipes.


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Liz
Filpina married to Caucasian
7/6/2009 at 2:58 pm
I am Filipina married to a caucasian. We have a beautiful 9 month old daughter together and I absolutely believe she needs to learn my native laungage for her best to understand my family and relatives back in the Philippines.


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Brandy
Married to a islander
7/6/2009 at 11:21 pm
Hi i too am a pasty white girl married to a very good looking islander(at least i think hes good looking), we have a beautiful 20 mo son and a beautiful 6 yo. my hubby is Guamanian, but you have a advantage, your in-laws speak their native laungage mine do not, neither does my hubby which means that it is harder to teach my kids about the other half of their heritage (sigh) its kinda depressing especially since to my hubby thats not that big of a deal.


My husband and I are both
7/8/2009 at 4:56 pm
My husband and I are both Korean but my language skills are comparable to that of a preschooler. My husband, on the other hand, is fluent in Korean but we both find ourselves speaking English to our kids. We always speak English to each other so we find it's just easier to do the same with the kids although at one point when my first child was 2, she spoke Korean fluently, which was quite impressive for her age. Well, once her very Korean grandmother (My MIL) moved away, she slowly forgot all she'd learned and now only uses certain words in Korean that she can remember. My other two kids (ages 2.5 and 10 months) have not been exposed to Korean much and now speak mainly English. Well ok, the 10 month old speaks screams and babbles but you get the point. I desperately want my children to learn Korean and I know how is the prime age to get them started. If I have one regret, it's not continuing to learn to speak Korean when I was younger. I struggle now to find the words I need when I'm trying to communicate with my grandmother as well as my parents, although my parents and I mainly speak English to one another. I almost wish my MIL would come back to stay with us so my kids could learn Korean. I said almost... ;) BTW, I live in the Seattle area too!


Bias towards one side
7/20/2009 at 11:56 pm
My husband is Japanese-American. Both his parents grew up strong in the Japanese culture and while born in America, they both read and write and speak a fair amount of Japanese. My husband's father is extremely proud of his Japanese race and culture. Which is great. But my mixed-race sons (I am Anglo), who both are the spitting image of their handsome father, look nothing like me, and my side of the family-our Irish/German background-is basically dismissed. My father-in-law uses phrases like "You people" when talking to me about the differences between Japanese and others. I not only feel a minority in my extended family, but also with my husband and sons! It is as if the "whiteness" in my boys is not okay. Just today, my son told me my husband called him Japanese-American, twice, eliminating me from the equation altogether. My son has been teased for being "Chinese," etc., and when he tells me that, I tell him he is 1/2 Japanese and 1/2 Anglo and all-American and that he is a child of God. But it seems my son is getting different answers from his parents. I talked with my husband about it tonight, but I'm writing because I'd like some suggestions about how to approach my son (age 9-1/2) and our younger son (age 6), and be consistent with our answer, so that they are proud of both of their parental-and thus their own-heritages. Please help!


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