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Resisting the call of the subdivision

By Mighty Maggie on Thursday, March 6, 11:36 am EST

Now that we're expecting another baby, everyone asks me if we're planning to move. Apparently two babies necessitates a flight to the suburbs? Or maybe they're worried about how much space we have? We live in a three-story townhouse. Two bedrooms on the top floor, living space and a kitchen on the second floor and the garage and a third "bedroom" (aka Phillip's Cave) on the bottom. It doesn't feel like a lot of space, especially now that Jack is cruising around the living room with his walker and getting into everything, but it works. My parents crammed five kids into a space this size for heaven's sake. It's true that we figured we'd be looking for a bigger house by the time Baby Number Two announced his impending arrival, but with this housing market and Baby Number Two being a big fat surprise, we're not quite ready to dive into THAT pile of chaos.

Now that we're expecting another baby, everyone asks me if we're planning to move. Apparently two babies necessitates a flight to the suburbs? Or maybe they're worried about how much space we have? We live in a three-story townhouse. Two bedrooms on the top floor, living space and a kitchen on the second floor and the garage and a third "bedroom" (aka Phillip's Cave) on the bottom. It doesn't feel like a lot of space, especially now that Jack is cruising around the living room with his walker and getting into everything, but it works. My parents crammed five kids into a space this size for heaven's sake. It's true that we figured we'd be looking for a bigger house by the time Baby Number Two announced his impending arrival, but with this housing market and Baby Number Two being a big fat surprise, we're not quite ready to dive into THAT pile of chaos.

Besides. My house, if on the small side, is really nice. It was brand new when we moved in, which means I can get away with cleaning the bathrooms every six months. The counters are shiny, the floors are pretty and the tile grout is still white. We're perfectly happy right now, but I do see us growing out of it. We have a patch of grass the size of a postage stamp and the toys are already taking over the living room. In the next year or two it'd be nice to have a playroom where we could hide the mess of primary-colored plastic, or where we could stash the kids when company comes over. Our neighborhood isn't particularly kid-friendly and there are hardly any other families around. And what if we have a third kid? He'll have to sleep in a kitchen drawer.

Moving, I think, is inevitable. It's where we move that gives me stomachaches. I really want to stay in the city. I want to stay near our parks and coffee shops and friends. I want to stay near our church community and make sure Phillip doesn't double his commute time. I like walking to the store and the two minutes it takes me to get anywhere in a car. Unfortunately for me, all the houses in the city are 100 years old and cost bazillions of dollars. Dear Seattle: NO WONDER YOU HAVE MORE DOGS THAN CHILDREN.

I suppose we could buy something about to fall down and fix it up, but have I mentioned Phillip and I are the opposite of Handy? Nearly all my friends who've bought houses have done extensive remodeling work. New kitchens, new bathrooms, new trim, new doors. But I swear, just painting our guest bathroom nearly ruined my marriage. Buying an older but affordable house in need of a few repairs isn't really an option for us, if we want to stay speaking to each other anyway. And so I am coming under the spell of the suburbs. "Come see my big yards!" the identical subdivision houses sing. "Check out our master suites! Imagine how many ugly plastic toys you could banish to our playrooms!" Knowing that grandparents are located in the suburbs doesn't help. Free instant-access babysitting? Who can resist?!

A friend of mine just found out the second baby she's expecting is actually a second and third baby (OH DEAR GOD) so her two-bedroom condo isn't going to cut it anymore. She and her husband have already put an offer on a house a half hour away, with a gazillion feet of brand new space for much less than a older house in the city. I made her tell me all about it - the loft, the four bedrooms, the fenced yard, the multiple bathrooms - while I tried not to drool with envy. I mean, she gets to PICK OUT HER TILE!

So what do you think, internet? It's purely a hypothetical at this point, but what would you choose? Nice newish house with lots of space, a yard and a mortgage that does not require selling a kidney? Or an older, smaller, in-dire-need-of-a-bathroom-remodel house that happens to be close to everything you love? (Of course, this is all based on the assumption that we can sell our townhouse AND scrounge up enough money for a new house AND survive the trauma of actually moving. But let's just assume those things!)

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Annemarie
Suburbs
3/6/2008 at 12:06 pm
There are definite pros and cons about moving into a sub-division..Here are my reasons for moving in: 1. Closer to people, maybe make friends with neighbors, have bbq's. 2. Brand new, beautiful houses. 3. Safer roadways. 4. Less expensive mortgages. 5. Decent sized yards. 6. Sense of community. Reasons to move out: 1. Neighbors are too close, some monitor your every move and that of your patio furniture...hmmm according to the rules they shouldn't have that.... 2. Rules, you have to abide by all sorts of rules and regulations about size of storage shed, matching paint, parking...etc...which wouldn't be a problem except no one abides by them. 3. Houses are put up so quickly they have some problems, seams showing, nail pops. 4. Kids thinking roads are safe enough to play in. All in all, for our first house choice the sub-division has been great for us, but I think in the future we may look for a house that has a bit more privacy, less rules to follow, and more character. Good luck!


Helpful!
3/6/2008 at 12:20 pm
Oooh, constructive comments! I like it!


Where do you feel most "at home"?
3/6/2008 at 1:12 pm
As you probably know, I'm all about the space. I'll take a house in the woods over a house in the city any day, even with the extra driving. But that's the thing - I think every person has an environment where they feel "home" - some people love the city while others prefer the burbs ... if you really love the city, you might not be too happy with the burbs. But then again, My friend lives in a master planned development in snoqualmie and they have tons of shopping and cool restaurants and stuff right in the neighborhood (and not an awful strip mall, but a cool mini "downtown") so maybe you could have the best of both worlds?


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Jen
a tough choice
3/6/2008 at 3:22 pm
If you really love the city, I'd try to find a way to stay there. I think suburbs in general, especially newer subdivisions, tend to have an unappealing sameness to them. That said, you have to do what you can afford. When my husband finished college and we bought our first house last year, we would have loved to stay in Lovely, Quirky, Collegetown; but we simply couldn't afford the houses there. Instead, we bought in Somewhat Lowerclass Bluecollar Town Next Door. Because that was what we could afford. And it's been fine. Our house is older but not in need of huge remodeling; our neighbors are friendly; we have a yard and a park nearby. Would we still prefer to live in Collegetown, which just has a more diverse and interesting feel to it? Yes. Someday when we can afford it. For now, we're happy with what we have.


Remodeling? AIEEEEEEEE!
3/6/2008 at 3:24 pm
We have a 100-year-old house, and, man, sometimes I wish we didn't. Remodeling is awful! And expensive! And did I mention awful! I admit that it's worth it when you're all done, but LORDY, going through it sucks. And again, expensive! So when the time comes that you have to make this decision, if you decide to stay in the city, try to pick someplace that you will not loathe while you are saving up the money to remodel. We've been in our house for going on three years, and we are JUST NOW getting to the kitchen, and, Maggie, believe me when I tell you, I loathe our kitchen with every fiber in my being. That being said, suburbs are not as awful as all that. Pick one on public transportation!


Firmly on the side of the city
3/6/2008 at 4:12 pm
Don't do it- don't leave the city! Just think how much easier it is to get out with kids when you dont have to drive them somewhere. And people all over the world raise kids in apartments- each family member does not need 1000 sq ft to themselves! Can you tell I've had this conversation with people a lot lately? We have a 2 bedroom condo in lower QA/Seattle Center, and people always ask us when they visit if we're planning to move now that we have a baby. Because "you cant raise a baby in the city!". Yeah, the hard streets of Seattle are such a wild place... :) Good luck with your decision!


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kristin
Make a list!
3/6/2008 at 5:18 pm
Okay, so I like lists, but they really do help. We are in the middle of this whole moving thing too. My advice would be make a list of things you absolutely want in a house. My big 4 are- a price that won't drive us into foreclosure, a yard big enough for a swing set, NO association fees (I refuse to pay an association money every month for the priviledge of following their rules), and parking/driveway (I am also tired of coming home and searching for a parking space. I should be able to come home and park in MY OWN place.). I think...make your list, then look both in the city, and the burbs. You never know what you are going to find. I have also learned that you shouldn't rule anything out until you've visited.


Ganda's picture
Ganda
Mr. Blandings Builds His Dream House
3/6/2008 at 6:49 pm
Have you seen the Cary Grant film Mr. Blandings Builds His Dream House? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0040613/ That's what I think of when I think renovation. I grew up in the suburbs of L.A. and live in NYC now, and I have to say that I know my neighbors better in the city than I did growing up. Strange, huh? Don't know if it's a New York/LA thing or a suburb/urban area thing.


Meg's picture
Meg
The burbs...
3/6/2008 at 6:57 pm
Okay, I LOVE old houses, projects, etc., but I have to advise against remodeling a house with the current state of your life. When hubby and I moved into our house, all it needed was new flooring and paint. No big deal, right? Well, I was two months pregnant at the time, and therefore unable to help with the painting. Also, I was far too nauseous to spend time on my hands and knees putting in hardwoods. So, that left my not-so-handy husband to do it with occassional help from his cousin. We moved in with no flooring in half the house and unfinished painting. It took two more months and professional help before the house was comfortable. We were able to live with particle board floors and a few kitchenless weeks, but if our son had already been born then we would have ended up staying with my parents. Also, it's never as small a job as you think it's going to be. Everyone I know who has remodeled an older home has spent way more money and time than they expected to, and nearly ruined their marraiges. And one more thing-just think how nice it would be to have a big yard for your kids to play in, with lots of other kids around for them to befriend!


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Kate from the Atlanta burbs
My advice would be to either
3/7/2008 at 3:50 pm
My advice would be to either make the place you have work or move to the burbs. Remodeling is a huge, expensive, pain in the neck. Washing the dishes in the bathroom tub for a month will break up the happiest of marriages. I live in the Atlanta burbs, but loathe it. I do it because it means less commuting, but I miss the "big city" so much. Imagine having to deal with snotty coffee clatches and chain restraurant food on a regular basis.... Most of my neighbors have NEVER taken their children to the museums and "culture" in town, and they think I'm uppity for making the drive with kid. So, long story longer, unless you REALLY love lawns, make do with what you have and enjoy the city!


Anonymous's picture
Anonymous
stay in the city
3/9/2008 at 12:36 pm
kids do not need own rooms, maybe as teens, but let them share now. make a sleeping room and a play room. stay in the city. i miss the city so much, but for us we needed to be close to husbands office. we are only about 15 minutes from the city, so we do go often. but i can't tell you the number of moms who never go to the zoo, art museum, history museum, botanical gardens, etc--and they are all free here. we are out and about at least 2 times a week in the city, more in the summer, and i don't really mind the drive, but the lack of culture in neigbors drives me a bit nuts. i mention going to shows like Wicked, or Avenue Q, and just blank stares--but they respond by sharing what they know about going on--"hey did you know there is a sale at Kohls, and the robin is at Red Robin on Tuesdays?" good luck


Sarah's picture
Sarah
Can you fit a second crib in
3/10/2008 at 12:48 pm
Can you fit a second crib in the bedroom Jack's using now? We're currently expecting our second baby, too, and living in a 650-sq.-foot townhouse with just two bedrooms. Our second bedroom is pretty small, but we figured if we move the easy chair downstairs to the living room (although it will take up a lot of space), we can fit a toddler bed for our oldest along with a crib for the new baby. Hopefully just one new baby, or we'll be in trouble! Anyway, kids can certainly share a room, even if they're different sexes, at least for a few years (maybe around age 6 or so you might reconsider if they're opposite sexes). If you could fit two cribs or a crib and a toddler bed (depending on what Jack will be in when the new baby is born), then you could probably keep the oldest in a toddler bed until he's ready for the top bunk of a bunkbed, then put them both in a bunkbed together, with Jack on top with a safety rail. Anyway, just some thoughts about how you could try to make things work. It's different for every family, I'm sure. I think the suburbs sound nice, too, if you decide to go that route (now or in a few years). I'm sure if I were you that would be my preference, but I'm biased by not being a big fan of the city--but maybe that's 'cuz I live on the urban outskirts of DC, rather than Seattle.


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LilSis
"That Bond"
3/10/2008 at 2:05 pm
I have BigSis, 6 years my elder. In our youth, we lived in a three bedroom house. I can't remember exactly why or how it happened, but she and I ended up sharing the master bedroom for most of our childhood. Our parents stayed in the "medium-sized" bedroom, and the third bedroom was used for sewing purposes...which could have easily been moved to the den. Instead, our parents (Mom was baby of 6, Dad had 3 bros) thought it was a good idea for us to share. And you know what...it was a wonderful idea. For years we fought. My sister had the clean side, I was the messy sister. I tore off her Barbie's heads, she told me I had baby toys. We put tape down the middle of the room, then she comforted me when I had bad dreams. We have a picture of us both sound asleep in the same bed. Wow, that picture is priceless. Those memories are priceless. I would never dream of having it different. When she began her teens, we played musical chairs with the bedrooms. She got medium, parents got master, I got the third, and sewing moved to the den. It worked. Beautifully. Now twenty-two, I have a half-sister thirteen years my junior. She lives with her mom. I long for being able to just live in the same house as her... Let them share for awhile, if possible. The sibling rivalry...the bond. It's worth it. They'll thank you when they're old enough.


I started doing our house up
7/15/2008 at 8:40 pm
I started doing our house up a while back. First off it was a full rewire, mess in every room from all the chopping plaster out, then there was the kitchen OMG that was a nightmare. as said in a previous comment "washing the dishes in the bathroom" tell me about it, my partner could have chopped my parts off for the stress that that caused. still to this day there are parts of the house that still need plastering. it feels like a never ending nightmare. I do like doing this type of work, as i am a trades man, but electrics is my game not plastering and kitchen fitting. The kitchen walles were that bad that i had to knock them back to the brick, plasterboard them all, that was after paying for a gas man to re-pipe all the plumbing so i could have it sunk into the wall behind the plaster. It does look well now but with the stress it causes at home i dont think i would ever do that again unless i had another property to move the family into while it was getting done. The conclusion i come to is that it can be more harm than good to stay where you are and do the house up around your feet. than it would be to find another place. Doing a house re-model could definatley be the end to happy marrage.


Subdivisions calling
7/24/2008 at 8:59 pm
It's difficult to resist, and I personally would rather renovate than do another move. I like my older house and I'm going to be here for a while.


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