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An Open Letter to Auto Industry Executives

By Mighty Maggie on Thursday, June 12, 6:00 am EDT

Dear Auto Industry Executives,

I spent the last several days poring over every detail on your new car websites. Every slideshow. Every link. Every last bullet point. And while you made it exceptionally easy for me to examine your vehicle's grille, its spoiler, its GPS navigation systems, and its Bluetooth capability, it was impossible to figure out if I could fit two car seats and a grown up in the backseat.

What are you thinking?!?!

I'd understand if I'd been researching convertibles. Or zippy sports cars. Or luxury sedans, or trucks, or motorcycles. But I was researching FAMILY CARS. Station wagons! SUVs! This new kind of car they call a "crossover" -- that seems to exist only for people who cannot bring themselves to buy a minivan. All I really wanted to know was how many miles I'd get to the gallon and whether or not I'd be able to squeeze my rear end into the space between an infant seat and a ginormous Britax.

Locating the fine print where you note fuel economy wasn't a hugely difficult task, but you seemed awfully reluctant to tell me what kind of family I could stuff into your family cars. You showed me pictures of the seats folded down to celebrate the amount of clever storage space (storage space you seem to assume I would use to haul gear to my next garage band rehearsal), but rarely a picture of PEOPLE sitting in the actual seats. And God forbid you give me a picture of an interior loaded with CAR SEATS, the kind of seats a FAMILY might use in a FAMILY CAR.

Had I been at all interested in torque (will someone please tell me what that means?) you provided a wealth of information. As well as all the pertinent details regarding horsepower, cylinders, liters, suspension, and all the little buttons splattered around the dashboard. You gave me pictures of the exterior of your car from every conceivable angle. You really wanted me to drool over the redesigned front ends and your snazzy moon roofs. In fact, I think my husband might have enjoyed all your annoying Flash features and fancy photography.

But! I have news for you, Auto Industry Executives! It's not the dads researching the new family car, it's the MOMS. Do you really think my husband is sitting there imagining how comfortable he'll be behind the wheel of his spiffy new van? What an easy time he'll have buckling up the kids? How much more space there is for strollers and diaper bags and emergency changes of clothes? No! He's sitting over there in the corner, rocking back and forth, mumbling incoherently about the loss of his sporty sedan. MOM is the one who's picking out the family car and MOM doesn't care if a spoiler is standard.

Oh, I hate to make sweeping generalizations (isn't there a TV commercial on right now saying that women choose cars based on cup holders?) but a family facing an increase in gas AND car seats is concerned about more than a leather-trimmed interior. I'd love to keep my fuel-efficient car and still have enough space for my growing family, but the fact is we need a bigger back seat. And if I don't have to get a nine-person van, I'd rather not. Do you see my point?

Now. Go take a look at your websites. Maybe trade that Flash intro for a few pictures of an interior with car seats installed. Maybe animate how someone is supposed to access the third row. Oh, and if you could drop your prices by a couple thousand dollars, that'd be awesome too.

Thanks so much!

Love, Maggie

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Sarah's picture
Sarah
Maggie, I *so* agree! My
6/12/2008 at 7:46 am
Maggie, I *so* agree! My husband and I have been looking a bit at minivans lately, although we're mostly looking as a future consideration, because baby #2 on the way will still fit in my car. But baby #3 will be a different story. And given that one of the main reasons we need to consider a bigger car like a minivan is the impossibility of fitting three carseats in a row in my car. One thing though, most people I've seen with a minivan buckle kids carseats into the middle seat instead of the back one. You know, the middle seats that are often separate, one just inside each sliding door? And then you could always have more in the back. I guess it depends on how many kids and adults you're looking at, though. I can tell you that fitting two adults and one kid (without a carseat) was definitely tight in a Dodge minivan I rode in recently (I don't know the model), and I can't imagine fitting three carseats across the back of that one. Another thing to consider. That same minivan, which I had to fit my daughter's carseat in as well, does something weird. I wanted to use the latch to attach her carseat in one of the middle seats by the sliding door. You know how many (all?) latch carseats have a strap that goes through the back and attaches at each side, and then another strap that attaches to the top of the carseat and then usually to the top of the seat? Well, this one minivan, the latch connector was not at the top of the seat, but behind it. Which meant that I had to loosen her strap as far as it would go, then weave it through the back of the seat, under the handle at the back, and all the way down to the floor, then snap it to a connector I could hardly see and it only reached if I put all my weight on it. *That* was a huge pain. My sister-in-law's Toyota Sienna at least has the back latch connector at the top, so you don't have to go through all those contortions to connect it. Of course, once it's in, it's in, but still.


I feel your pain
6/12/2008 at 8:34 am
My husband and I just bought a new(used) car a few weeks ago. This one is for him, but we have three kids and we wanted to be able to use his car to haul all three instead of always driving my gas guzzling minivan. We ended up getting a Saturn Vue, which is a cute, albeit modest, smaller suv. We get great gas mileage (about 29mpg) and can fit three carseats across the back with no problem. Last night we even drove around with 2 carseats and a 6 ft tall uncle back there and he had plenty of room. My husband actually did all the research and found incredibly helpful gas mileage and safety info from www.fueleconomy.gov.


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Christina
I Hear Ya!
6/12/2008 at 9:28 am
My husband and I had the same problem! We had a 2005 Hyundai Accent and when we went to install the carseat a week before bringing home baby #1 we realized it didn't even fit unless we pushed the passenger seat up into the windshield!! We were looking for a second car anyways so we realized it was time to do that IMMEDIATELY! What a nightmare trying to find any family-friendly information on these vehicles. Do I really care about color, spoliers, XM radio and floor mats if I CAN'T FIT MY FAMILY IN THE CAR??? What a nightmare.


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Angie
Amen!
6/12/2008 at 10:44 am
I sure hope someone from the auto industry reads your open letter, because you are RIGHT ON THE MONEY. We're planning to buy a new car this summer and all I really care about is space, safety and gas mileage. It can be a box on wheels as long as it fits two carseats and doesn't cost my right arm to fill up every week.


Oy, I am dreading this! I
6/12/2008 at 10:50 am
Oy, I am dreading this! I probably should start doing some research now so that when our car finally kicks the bucket we won't be scrambling! Good luck!


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Jen
YES!
6/12/2008 at 11:13 am
That is what we really need to know, and the pictures on car websites just don't show you how how car seats/kids will actually work in the actual vehicle. I can tell you that we just bought one of those "crossover" things--the Mazda5--and we LOVE it. It seats six comfortably and i have no problem climbing in and out of the back to buckle my two older kids into the third row of seating. The baby's rearfacing car seat fits in the second row of seating just fine. There's not a ton of cargo room, but plenty for everyday activities. Going camping might be a challenge. We'll see. The best part is it gets 25-30 miles to the gallon, way better than our clunky old minivan.


For some reason, it seems
6/12/2008 at 11:16 am
For some reason, it seems like they'll never get the clue! Just because it's a CAR, that doesn't mean that they can only advertise for MEN. I really think you're going to have to bite the bullet and go looking in real life. I know, it's painful, but it must be done. Maybe THAT's why they don't give you the info you need to know - they're forcing the real decision maker to come to the lots, where you're much more likely to make a purchase. ;) Becky http://www.stinkylemsky.typepad.com/


Toyota Matrix
6/12/2008 at 12:30 pm
We've got a Toyota Matrix...one of the new popular crossover types. I like the fact that we have trunk space and can stack things ceiling high if need be. We've only got one little one and her carseat sits in the middle and my hubby and I have plenty of foot space up front. I've fit two carseats in it before and crammed another person into the backseat between them in the middle and another time I had the two carseats next to each other with a person sitting next to them. That works for crusing around town briefly but not so much for a big car trip. The mpg are great...anywhere from high 20s in town to 32+ on the freeway. If you're thinking fuel efficiency over space this car is fun to drive and from the "reliable" toyota company. Happy car hunting to you :)


AMEN SISTER!!!! I have also
6/12/2008 at 12:52 pm
AMEN SISTER!!!! I have also been looking at new cars, and have the exact same requirements. It seems like a little bit of market research would show there are hundreds more like us that want the same info! Due to lack of this info though, I think I'll be going with a Mazda 5. It has two more fold down seats behind the back seats, so I know I'll be able to cart both kids and their friends around.


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Brigitte
I've just been bemoaning . .
6/13/2008 at 5:19 am
(to myself) that the regular sedan-style cars of the seventies with the bench seats could seat more people, car seats or not, than modern mini-vans or SUVs. And had more trunk space. Of course, they weren't as safe either, but can't they figure out a way to COMBINE it?


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gandas
Cars for Moms
6/13/2008 at 11:38 am
Hi from Ganda, editor at Parenting.com!

LOVE this post, totally going to see if we can write a story on the best cars for squeezing rear ends between infant seat and Britax. I'm serious.

So normally I wouldn't butt-insky like this, but we've been thinking about this problem a lot too -- we're trying to get car dealers to see that moms are doing the car buying these days.

One way we're getting the word out is through a new tool on our site:

Parenting.com Cars for Moms makes car shopping cheaper and easier. You can customize your ride, compare prices from lots of local dealers, print out the lowest price and bring it in to the dealer.

The best part: the dealer has to honor that price, and you don't have to worry about getting wheedled by a sleazy salesman.

Check it out, and let me know what you think!


Meg's picture
Meg
Minivans are beautiful things.
6/13/2008 at 4:11 pm
My husband and I went throught the same thing when I was our pregnant with our first. What car would comfortably fit a car seat, us, a stroller, etc..? We settled on an '06 Camry--and were terribly wrong. It would have been okay if the baby didn't have so much STUFF, or if we never actually left the house, or if we always left our Collie at home. We're the kind of family that always brings the dog (she's been with me longer than my husband has!) and she didn't fit in the back with the car seat, so I ALWAYS rode back there, while the dog sat awkwardly in the front, unable to lay down or get comfortable. Fitting the stroller in the trunk was a lesson in geometry, and nothing else fit in there with it. We just traded the Camry in on a Honda Odyssey, and we have never been happier. There's plenty of room for our son and all his stuff, the dog, me, and my husband. Plus, each seat has its own climate control, it has tinted widows and built-in shades (beats the receiving blankets we had rolled up in the Camry's windows), doors that open/close with the push of a button, and a handy path from the front to the back so that I can ride up front and then slip back with the boy when necessary. When baby number two comes along, I'll really be praising the minivan gods!


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tjwriter
It must be that time of the year.
6/14/2008 at 9:59 am
We, too, are embarking on that journey to find a suitable vehicle for the whole family. I'm due again in December, and we have a two and a half year old. Finding the right car is such a chore. You can bet that when I go to test drive, I'll be packing some carseats to see how easy to install in the car they are and how much room is leftover after installation. I have a feeling that I'm going to be the salesman's nightmare.


The Minivan saved us!
6/21/2008 at 8:30 pm
We use to have a Jeep Liberty which was o.k at first but when we needed a bigger car seat, things weren't o.k anymore. We were told that a minivan would be the way to go. I never really liked mini vans and never thought I would own one but I am so glad we decided to get one! We ended up trading the Jeep in for a Honda Odyssey and I am very impressed with this vehicle. There is tons of room and very useful features. So to make things easier for yourself, when in doubt just get a minivan.


Mags's picture
Mags
I'm not pregnant yet but we
6/26/2008 at 7:29 pm
I'm not pregnant yet but we are looking for a new car as mine is getting old and cranky. The best thought I've come up with is if I'm buying a new car that the dealership will need to let me demo it over a weekend (my parents did this with little trouble from the dealership) and I'll borrow my friend's carseats and make sure they fit in the way they should. If they don't....then I'll look at different cars. Without looking insane and dragging around a baby seat and not being pregnant or even looking pregnant. Thats just my idea.


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Stephanie
Auto exec is getting the letter....
7/1/2008 at 12:42 am
Hey ladies, My husband is a sales mgr. for *unnamed* American auto company, which is obviously struggling with sales right now. I read this post and all the comments to him this evening...he found this post and all your comments very insightful, so much so that he is passing it on to the big wigs in the morning. Hopefully they'll get a clue.


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Brooke
Wow! I've been researching
7/3/2008 at 12:02 pm
Wow! I've been researching and shopping cars for 6 months and this is the most applicable information I've found yet! I'm struggling with going to the minivan (Honda Odyssey) or a crossover-type because of gas mileage. I have a Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo now - don't get me wrong, I love this car... but I have a 2 year old and a 3 month old and we take up all available room (my husband and I are not tall people, either) and it GUZZLES gas. I'm glad others are taking notice!


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