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Chivalry Is Dead

By Notes From the Trenches on Tuesday, April 15, 10:17 am EDT

Last week I was traveling with my gigantic suitcase, because my theory on packing is if it fits into my suitcase, I can bring it with me.  I was wrestling with it on stairs, both because it is too large for me to carry easily and because I was also trying to manage my purse and a laptop bag.

As I struggled down a flight of stairs, half wondering if I should just let the suitcase fly down the stairs ahead of me because the way things were shaping up I was going to be knocked down with it, a large group of teenaged boys came running up the stairs.  They ran around me, a few of them making obnoxious comments like "big suitcase you have."  Yet, they didn't stop.

I stood there disheartened.  What would their parents think if they could see them right now, I wondered.  I thought about my own sons at home.  Would they be the ones running up the stairs, pushing by a person who could use their help?  Would they be laughing? I don't think that they would.  I'd like to think that my sons have enough empathy that they would think of someone else.  But would the lure of their friends running with them change all that?

I watched them run by, taking the stairs two at a time, and felt sad.   Not because I had to carry my suitcase myself, but because it was indicative of our society as a whole.

*****

Earlier in the week a friend had told me that even in her obviously very pregnant state, people on the subway ignore her.  Men in their business suits sit with their legs spread, holding their newspapers, not caring.  The man who gets up is the exception to the rule. 

"You know who does get up," she had told me, "middle aged women."

"Chivalry is dead, isn't it?"  I had asked, rhetorically.

"Oh yeah. And then it was dragged through the streets and left in a bloody heap in the gutter."

"If the Titanic was sinking today you just know men would be shoving women and children out of the way." I laughed. 

It was one of those conversations that you just laugh about because the alternative is too depressing.  And it isn't just about men, it is about everyone.  Somehow as a society we have become so hardened that anyone who does something the slightest bit nice for someone else is immediately called a hero.  You see it every day on the news or read it in a newspaper.  We have an expectation that it is every man, or woman, for himself.

****

The second to last boy running up the stairs looked away from his friend.  "Do you need some help with that?"  He reached out and grabbed my suitcase, easily carrying it down the rest of the flight for me.

I thanked him effusively.  His friends were all laughing at him from the top of the stairs.  He sort of laughed it off, like it was no big deal, except that it was.  As he set my suitcase down his eyes caught mine, "No, I mean it.  Thank you." 

He smiled sheepishly and then ran up the stairs and punched one of his friends in the arm.  They all continued on their merry way being loud and boisterous.

I wanted to say more.  I wanted to tell him how I knew his mother would be proud.  I wanted to tell him that I have six sons and that I hope they would be like him.  I wanted to congratulate him for stepping away from his peer group at an age where friends are everything.  I wanted to tell him not to change, but to be the one who changes others.  I wanted to tell him that it made me sad that he was the exception.  

I wanted to tell him the he gave me a tiny glimmer of hope for the future.


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Sanae
It is unfortunate that most
4/15/2008 at 11:14 am
It is unfortunate that most of the boys ran on by, and great that one stopped to help. But I believe in packing and planning in a way that I can manage by myself (was there an elevator?). I know this wasn't your point, and you acknowledged it by admitting to feeling free to bring whatever will fit into the "gigantic suitcase," but I felt like it should be stated outright. I believe both that people should help others, and that people should be able to manage on their own.


I guess it is all my fault
4/16/2008 at 12:18 am
Nope there wasn't an elevator. It was at the train station, outside, on some really steep steps made out of rocks. And I was managing by myself, it was just a struggle. I also had a friend with me who was equally as shocked by the rude behavior of the group of boys, who literally pushed us out of their way to get up the stairs. I didn't think that I had to go into all the details of the wheres and whys, because they aren't relevant to the point I was making, which is that people (yes men and women) just don't seem to care much about each other anymore.


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Anonymous
And that is why chilvalry is
4/15/2008 at 12:42 pm
And that is why chilvalry is dead. Just manage it on your own.


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Lynette
I think the point is that it
4/15/2008 at 1:34 pm
I think the point is that it shouldn't and doesn't matter what the situation is - if you think someone might need help, you offer assistance. Whether or not they packed too big a bag, or didn't think to bring toys to entertain their toddler while waiting for a plane, or whatever. I prefer to think of it as common decency, since the definition of chivalry includes only acts toward women. And I'm not perfect at this either, but I can tell with my 2 boys that it makes a difference when they see me do something, rather than just talking about it with them.


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Sanae
Yes, I should have been more
4/15/2008 at 2:45 pm
Yes, I should have been more clear. I recognize that the point was about common decency, and I think it is a very good point to make. I think I was just venting on a personal pet peeve, and that is when people knowingly put themselves in a position of need for their own convenience and require others to be inconvenienced as a result. And I do know that it is not always an intentional thing, and I am not a perfect planner by any means either. Things happen, and so common decency ought to be in place to help out in times of need. BUT, in this case it doesn't seem like it was a "things happen" situation. It seemed like a case in which better planning could have happened, and was flippantly ignored. That's what bothers me. But if I misinterpreted, I apologize.


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Christina
Compassion
4/15/2008 at 2:41 pm
I don't think the way in which you packed has anything to do with anything. It wouldn't matter if you were struggling with a small bag, if a person is in need we should be there for eachother. I just had a baby and throughout my pregnancy it was a very rare occurrence that anyone would offer assistance. I can handle myself just fine and don't mind standing on the subway or opening the door for myself, however, it would be nice if someone would have offered. Compassion, empathy and common decency is so hard to find these days.


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kellie
I was nodding as I read your
4/15/2008 at 11:14 pm
I was nodding as I read your entire article. It is becoming a sad world. However I will say that from all of your writting that I have had the pleasure of reading, your boys would have been the boy that offered help. There is no other way around it. Plain and simple our children learn what they live. The good. The bad. Even the ugly. I truely believe this and try to show my children the way that I would hope they would act. ( As I know you do as well, because while I do not know you, I have read you and in my mind we are friends..LOL) I have had my children ask if it is okay to help older people with putting away their shoping carts at the grocery. Of course it is. I have witnessed my youngest daughter see a woman drop her wallet at a baseball game and she picked it up and chased her down to return it. I can only hope I have taught them enough about kindness and paying it forward to know that someday if they saw you (or anyone) struggle with your suitcase no matter how many pairs of shoes were packed in it they would offer to help you.


word
4/16/2008 at 1:19 am
A few weeks ago I was flying home to California, by myself, with two of my four children, after visiting my mother in Florida. When the Dallas-Fort Worth airport was closed because of inclement weather, we were routed to Arkansas where we deplaned and waited for almost seven hours. I stood in the waiting area with an infant strapped to my chest and a toddler by the hand for SEVEN hours and not a single soul offered up their seat. I was very tempted to lean a fully fed baby over a well dressed business man who was checking e-mail on his fancy lap top, and give a little squeeze. We were then sent to DFW, only to learn that our flight was canceled and the soonest we could fly home, was in TWO days. Because so many flights were canceled, there were no hotel rooms available. Which, wouldn't have helped even if there were, because I had no carseats ... which would be necessary for transporting a three-year old and an eight-month-old. Because so many flights arrived before our flight arrived, all of the cots that the airport had for stranded travelers were taken. Although we passed scores and scores of people, many who were young college students on their way to some place tropical for spring break, not one offered their cot to a woman with two small children. Nor did people offer up their cots to elderly people (some with O2 tanks) who were scattered around the terminal trying to sleep on chairs. So. We slept on the floor of the airport and we managed. I doubt I would have accepted a cot if someone had offered, but it really disturbed me that people were so oblivious to those in greater need. Not only is chivalry dead, but basic respect is severely endangered. It's terribly disheartening.


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t in hd
That's just disgusting, Jen.
4/16/2008 at 12:43 pm
That's just disgusting, Jen. >:-(


stat!
4/16/2008 at 2:04 am
I may have missed it, in your previous posts. But do you know where I can get any cool bags to carry a laptop, and such. A cute pouch for my digital cam'ra?


I agree with everything you
4/16/2008 at 5:50 am
I agree with everything you said 100%! Even when I was preggers people didn't help me but now I am in Europe (husband has a business trip) everyone is helping me from left to right. People are soo much nicer here. They will open the door, bring the stroller up the stairs (a full flight of stairs to my apartment, which I hate but soon I will be back home! :) ). and I don't have to ask, they do it because they are nice. At home in the states, people will ignore you, aka pretend you are not there and it is sad. I am the type of person to always help people no matter what. With a baby (7 month old) in hand and I see someone needs help opening the door,etc, I will go out of my way to open the door for them. Will people do that for me? nah. I guess I was brought up right ;) and I will teach my little one ( and future ones) to do the same as I was taught.


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t in hd
Rach, where in Europe are
4/16/2008 at 6:16 am
Rach, where in Europe are you, just out of curiosity? I'm in Germany and I'm afraid my experience has been quite the opposite, especially when I lived in Munich, a city not known for being very child-friendly. I remember when I was heavily pregnant with my second child, struggling with a toddler in a buggy onto a bus crowded with young uni students. Not a one offered to help, not a one offered me a seat. They just blithely ignored me. Older people seem more willing to help, but the young and childless really couldn't care less, it seems.


lol. I am in Germany as
4/16/2008 at 6:20 am
lol. I am in Germany as well. in Dresden. Maybe it is the area ha ha;) I have been to Munich, I was there 2 weeks ago for a quick visit and I agree with you about Munich. Maybe it is in big cities they are like that? I remember in London people are like that but then in Brussels people are friendly ( I find). Maybe it just depends where you are? p.s. do you know a German Diaper Rash Creme?


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t in hd
You're probably right about
4/16/2008 at 12:41 pm
You're probably right about the big cities thing. Munich is hands down my favourite city and I adore it, but the attitude towards children there is quite shocking. I once read in a newspaper (Süddeutsche Zeitung, if I recall correctly) that the death rate there is actually higher than the birth rate. People there don't value children much and thought I was crazy when pregnant with my third. Diaper rash cream? A lot of people I know like Weleda, which can be found in DM but I found Bübchen's Calendula creme really did the trick, when I had little ones in nappies and you can find it just about anywhere. My son used to call it "dula" when he was a baby. He'd say "dula Mama, dula!" when he had a sore bum! ;-)


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Brigitte
Waaay back when . .
4/16/2008 at 6:52 am
I remember when I was a kid in the early 70's, and my mom's car got stranded in a not-so-good neighborhood of a local city, and some young scary-looking hoodlums approached . . and HELPED us. You can bet that would never happen now!


Anonymous's picture
Anonymous
You might try moving to the
4/16/2008 at 7:12 am
You might try moving to the south. You could escape all that nasty snow you are always complaining about and I believe you would find society in general to be nicer. I've been very pleasantly surprised as I've gone thru pregnancy and life with a baby to find most people in my area going out of their way to help me navigate mine. The other day, a man sorted through about a dozen shopping carts to find one with an intact seat & seat belt for me. Chivalry is not dead - maybe it just prefers a warmer climate.


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momof3
shopping cart
4/17/2008 at 5:09 pm
That's funny that the man searched for a good cart for you. A couple of weeks ago, I was grocery shopping with my 1yo and as the greeter at the store offered me an intact cart, a man came up beside me and snatched it from my grasp. I spent the next 5 minutes juggling my rambunctious toddler while I searched for another. That must have been the only one in the store because I never did find one.


karen's picture
karen
What a guy!
4/16/2008 at 8:31 am
It takes real strength and maturity to risk being laughed at by your peers especially during those teenage years. I've a feeling that even though you didn't get the chance to say all those things to the boy he won't change because he acted from instinct. He knows right from wrong. And he is already changing others - I'm sure some at least would have felt a prickling of guilt watching their mate do what they know they should have done? These kind hearted souls (male and female, young and old) do make the world a better place in spite of the 'me first' brigade.


chivalry was murdered
4/16/2008 at 8:40 am
I think many men are reluctant to help out, for fear the woman will take it as a slight on her independence. Most of the men who are middle-aged grew up with girls fiercely asserting, "I can do it myself!" and have been trained not to get in their way. The older gentlemen still open doors for me, etc. We must make sure to train our boys properly, in the hopes that they will buck this unfortunate cultural trend.


EG's picture
EG
I honestly think there's
4/16/2008 at 9:44 am
I honestly think there's something in the teenage brain that makes adults cellophane. I think that they just don't see us sometimes. They're so consumed in their own energy. I was traveling from the Charlotte airport with my baby recently. I had one big suitcase, a big bag with his carseat in it, and him in a stroller. And heaven help me, I parked where I had to get on a bus to get to the terminal. People were so helpful, and most of the helpful ones mentioned that they had kids of their own. So maybe the key to modern chivalry is empathy. Or, as someone else suggested, maybe the key is being below the Mason-Dixon line!


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Becky Y
At least people are still
4/16/2008 at 9:57 am
At least people are still decent enough that if you topple down a set of stairs some will hurry to help and make sure you're all right? We'll have reached a new low if they just all keep walking. Speaking as a clumsy person from New York City.


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Heidi
Wow. Your experience
4/16/2008 at 10:55 am
Wow. Your experience reminded me of one I had years ago. When one of my boys was just a baby, I was pushing him in stroller towards the mall entrance. A young guy (maybe 5 years younger than me?) went ahead of me, opened the door... but didn't keep it open for me. Wha??? I would've said something, but I was struck speechless. I wanted to say somthing- like how his parents would be ashamed to see this. Or to say "Gee, thanks for nothing!" But like I mentioned above, I was just speechless. I plan on teaching both my boys to hold doors open and to show kindness and compassion for others (like that teenager did for you). Even I hold doors open or let others sit in my place if I see that they need to. But then, my parents taught me right.


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RPK
Another good point is to
4/16/2008 at 11:19 am
Another good point is to install in your children (including your daughter) to marry someone who will help others. I married someone just like the boy who helped you with your suitcase. I feel so much pride when I watch him helping an elderly lady by reaching to the top shelf in the grocery store to get her whatever it was that she was struggling to get just moments before. He has a sixth sense about it. No one ever has to ask for his help, and that is just one example of the many things he does for others. And then they always turn to me to tell me what a wonderful husband I have. Well, yes of course, but I wouldn't have married anything less :)


Depends where you live
4/16/2008 at 11:36 am
I agree. It depends a lot on where you live. In CA, people won't even look at you for fear they may even have to say hello to you, forget having them open doors for you when your hands are full carrying two kids. I found my experience in Texas much different. People are always opening doors for me, will look you in the face to strike up a conversation, help put my grocery cart away for me when I am struggling to load the car with food and kids, and children are still taught to say "ma'am" and "sir" when referring to adults. I am sure eventually this will change, but it generally seems like people everywhere are too consumed by their own life to recognize someone needs help or even care to help if they do see it. Maybe as adults we just need to lead by example, and remind our children to help others in need.


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Laurie
Bravo!
4/16/2008 at 12:33 pm
Bravo to you. I would have reacted the same way -extremely shocked by the rudeness and then extremely grateful for the help and "rescue" by a gentleman. You really have 6 sons? I have been reading your blog for a while and you don't seem to mention your kids all together - I have four sons and plan on raising them as gentlemen!


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Ruth H
Here in south Texas we have
4/16/2008 at 1:05 pm
Here in south Texas we have a very large Hispanic population. I am old, some might say even elderly. I have had only once in my life had a door not held for me. It was a "white" good old boy and I'm sure his mom would have been ashamed of him. The Hispanics, men, women, girls and boys, are very good about holding the doors. Some of them say encouraging words like "here you go Mama" I didn't know before that is apparently a term of respect for an older woman. I've also had wait persons refer to me in that manner. I find it sweet. Most of the Texans, southerners, etc here are well mannered also, but... we have some snowbirds, upper middle class whites with money, who can be very rude. Strange.


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Haley
I recently rode on the train
4/16/2008 at 5:46 pm
I recently rode on the train from the Atlanta airport to the 'burbs around midnight...needless to say, it was quite the experience. The most interesting part, though, was listening to the conversation between two middle aged African American gentleman comment on "how rude" and "inconsiderate" all the young people on the train were to let a pregnant woman and a senior citizen stand in the aisles. Thankfully, the comments weren't directed toward me, as I was sitting on my suitcase, but the lack of chivalry is something that crosses all races and socio-economic backgrounds.


North v. South
4/17/2008 at 12:16 am
Just after 9/11 I travelled from Raleigh to Boston, 8 months pregnant. In Raleigh, I stood in line for about three seconds before I was pulled out and escorted to the front. I passed about three hundred people, none of whom complained when I was put right through ahead of them. After I cleared security, several people offered to carry my bag and when I refused they couldnt' stand it and took it from me any way. At the waiting area, I was offered a seat and water. Not a single person made me feel like I was doing anything wrong by traveling in my condition. They just made room for me. Boston? Of course I waited in every line, and then when I got sent through the wrong line after an hour long wait, they had no problem making me wait again in the other one. When I couldn't lift my bag onto the belt the able-bodied man behind me said, "If you can't lift your f-ing bag you shouldn't fly." Niiiiice. I stood in the crowded waiting room and no one offered me a seat.


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melanie
I am proud to be well mannered
4/17/2008 at 6:44 pm
I'm eleven and my parents have thaught me and my two brothers (2 and 11) to try to be helpful to people in need and greet adults as sir and mam. I am proud to say this to my friends when they laugh at me for helping somebody and for greeting an adult as sir and mam. people have also laughed at me for kissing an elders hand when greeting them but then I simply explain that this is one of my Italian costums that I am proud of and intend to pass down to my own children.


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Anonymous
I'm glad we're behind in OK
4/18/2008 at 12:33 pm
I've seen some of this here in Ok were I live but most of the time people seem to offer help or do the right thing when it's needed. I've heard it said that Oklahoma is behind the times. Well I guess in some ways that isn't a bad thing after all. We do still have some young people that won't help or ignore you but I've noticed it's mostly in the bigger cities but I've also notice anytime I need help it's always been there. Someone offers assistance or a kind word when needed.


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Sanae
Hi, I just wanted to write
4/20/2008 at 9:09 pm
Hi, I just wanted to write in and apologize. I shouldn't have ignored the point of your post and used it as a venue for my own little rant, and I'm sorry I did. You made a good point, and I should have just left it at that. In the future I'll withhold from comments altogether when I'm not having a good week, since clearly it's not a wise move on my part :)


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