vinigar really does work. we are sharing a bathroom (hopefully not much longer) with the 4, soon to be 5 of us.. I have two sons, ages 11 and 7, imagine where they miss!! and a husband of course (lets hope he doesnt miss!) anyway, it gets on the outside of the bowl,around the base of the toilet, the floor..yeah, so I scrub it all, and the inside I pour with bleach. I have never had the urine smell linger thank goodness!! but the boy smell!! yeah..boys to me smell like wet dog..especially when they sweat..and their rooms smell like feet, wet dog and well..occasionally, poot..its really gross, and I often wonder "why me" although I wouldnt trade my boys for the world LOL