View Full Version : Just For Fun. . .Obama or Clinton?
04-17-2008, 10:41 PM
I don't want anyone getting their panties in a bunch over this. . . ;) Just curious, who are you ladies thinking of backing? I suppose if you're a republican and for McCain you can post too. J/K!!
Personally, I really like Barack Obama. He really seems (I use the word "seems" b/c we don't really KNOW any of them) to be a down-to-earth, charismatic, truthful person. To me, there is something about Hillary I just don't trust.
Anyway, remember, just for fun! :)
I would vote for Hillary.
04-18-2008, 12:53 AM
I am Republican but personally don't like any of them! But we have to pick one right?! LOL
04-20-2008, 03:36 PM
I'm obviously going to vote for whichever democrat wins the nomination, but I was really hoping it'd be Hillary. She just seems like she is trying to speak directly to the middle working class and let them (us) know that she is right there with us. Honestly, whether she's a woman or not is irrelevant to me, I just agree with her politically.
04-20-2008, 03:42 PM
I am voting for Obama!
04-20-2008, 07:59 PM
I am a proud supporter of Senator Clinton. I will be voting for her in our primaries and I pray that she wins the Democratic nomination, so that I can vote for her in the Presidential election.
04-20-2008, 09:10 PM
I know that this is just for fun and I don't want to be hateful, but I have to say that I really have a hard time understanding how Hillary is such a strong force. Her episode of lying about the sniper fire is just the most publicized lie she has been caught in. She told this lie on several occasions, so I don't by the 'oops I was tired' excuse she gave. How does anyone truly want to have a president who will so obviously and blatantly lie to the American public? Does this not scare you? She certainly scares me! If she will lie about something she can so easily be caught in, what will she lie about when she truly thinks she will be able to get away with it?
BTW, I really don't like any of them! I will probably vote for John McCain.
04-20-2008, 09:19 PM
Senator Clinton's mis-statement regarding sniper fire pales in comparison to Bush's outright, blatant lies regarding WMD's and other "reasons" for getting us involved in this damn war.
The reason that I will be voting for Senator Clinton as opposed to Senator Obama is based on their records while in Senate. Senator Clinton has served on numerous committees and has fought for many changes, whereas Senator Obama has not. Since he became a junior senator all he has done is get his "ducks in a row" (tried to gain support from other Senators) for his Presidential bid. Senator Clinton has a record for fighting for the "underdog"--look at her accomplishments and what she has fought for not only as a Senator, but as First Lady of Arkansas and First Lady of the US. What has Senator Obama done except try to become President from day one? I want someone that I feel will fight the American people, not someone who is just interested in more power.
04-20-2008, 09:52 PM
McCain gets my vote. Neither of the candidates would have the first clue how to run our military. He has been as honest as we can expect from a politician and if any of them are going to fight for the American people I think it would be him. He spent years as a POW and put his neck on the line already for the American people. Actions speak louder than words. Just my opinion. I think that people are being left with a bad taste in their mouths for the Republican party because of Bush. He does not represent the entire republic party. Just as Bill Clinton didn't represent the entire democratic party. We already had a Clinton in the office and most of us thought that turned out to be a big joke too. Just my thoughts.
04-20-2008, 10:15 PM
President Bush didn't get us into the war by lying to us. Lying is defined as knowingly telling a falsehood. He was going on bad intelligence that was given to him that we, Britian, and France all unfortunantly had. He did not knowingly lie to the American public. As far as Hillary's voting record, she did in fact also vote to go to war. So didn't she in part also get us into the war? And three 'mis-statements', see definition of lying above, about something so easily proved wrong lead to what other type of 'mis-statements' in the future? She knew she was lying and chose to do it anyway to gain support and followers. What else will she lie about to gain more support and more followers?
As far as Obama is concerned, I agree that he has been campainging for President since elected to the Senate. He has a horrible voting attendance record. You don't get promoted in the real world by getting a job then missing work to try to get yourself a better job in the same company.
I think that we should all be held more personally responsible for our own choices in life, and I just don't see the Democratic party as upholding that belief. The Republican party isn't much better but at least they are not as far gone. We should be able to keep the rights we were given over 200 years ago without being forced to pay for everyone's mistakes. When you are having a bad run of luck then, yes, you should be able to get assistance from the greatest country in the world to get back on your feet but not live on it. The 'unfortunate' are often, not always and I know that, but often there because of their own choices in life. Why do I have to be responsible for everyone who chooses not to be responsible for themselves?
04-21-2008, 07:08 AM
For your viewing pleasure a few links that prove that not only did "dubyah" know there were NO WMD's but that he LIED to the Senate in order to go to war. Senator Clinton voted on what she was told, when it was discovered that "dubyah" LIED and knew it she publicly stated she was wrong. "dubyah" has never taken accountability and still continues to lie about this war.
We are no where near being the greatest country in the world. Too many of our citizens are homeless, jobless, hungry, and uneducated. We cannot provide healthcare or a good education for anyone. Until we can take care of our own we have no business poking our nose into any other countries affairs. That's the difference between Democrats and Republicans. Democrats want to help our own and Republicans want to own the world.
04-21-2008, 02:27 PM
I have to agree with twiceblessed on this issue: How in the heck are we supposed to help everyone else when we can't (or won't) help ourselves? If I lived in Iraq or any other country we are currently trying to "improve" I would laugh at our troops/gov't. Our nation has done nothing but go down the drain in the last 10 years at least. I don't think there was any sense of togetherness or teamwork or whatever until Obama started his campaign.
04-21-2008, 04:08 PM
So many of our citizens are in the predicament that they are in because of their own bad choices. You can't always blame individual circumstances on the government. I am sorry that it seems you think that this country's predicament is solely because of President Bush.
I know that the country is not going in the best direction. However, unemployment is still at around 5%, which means that 95% of the country is employed. You can't tell me that every one of those 5% want to work. There will never be 100% employment, especially with the way the government allows welfare to continue in the manner that it is currently run. My husband is in manufacturing, so we constantly have the worry that his company will totally shut down and move overseas. The company already has plants in China and Mexico so we will see. If that does happen, my husband and I both feel that we will be able to support ourselves somehow because we are both willing to work any job to support our family.
There are SOOOO many services available for homeless both run by the government and the private sector. There are just those who choose to not attempt to receive a hand up to get on their feet. Is it unfortunate? Yes, but then again, you can't blame these choices on the government when there are resources available.
As for education, you have me there. I am a high school English teacher on childcare leave and am seriously considering not going back into the teaching field once I return to work. The state that the public government schools are going in is absolutely horrendous. NCLB is nothing more than a waste of resources and money. Ted Kennedy (D) who pushed the bill clearly had no idea how to actually attempt to fix the schools. Politicians who have never sat in a school where the students are apathetic to the point of no return need to understand that some students want to be left behind. The apathy can be blamed on the parents much more so than on the government. Parents who are uninvolved and do not push their child to succeed or at least participate are much more to blame.
Health care! You assume that everyone wants government health care! Do you not see the debacle that they made out of the schools? You want that kind of bureaucracy in the health system? I personally do not want to wade through months of red tape to go see the doctor! I also like the fact that I have some control over choosing my own health care. Is the system perfect? No. What system is? I just know that I don't want the government's hands on my health! They already have our children and a third of our money in taxes, I want to keep my health under my control!
Did "dubyah" cause all of this? No. Every problem in the world can't be blamed on President Bush. Unfortunately there are those who try, and the media love to cling to that to try to convince the public that the Democratic party is always the way to go. There are other opinions out there. As far as this not being the greatest country in the world, it was designed to be with the rights and ability to persue happiness. The unfortunate way that these rights are gradualy being taken away from us does indeed begin to put that in jeopardy. I believe that John McCain is the closest to not continuing to try and take these rights from us. That is why McCain will get my vote.
04-21-2008, 04:52 PM
1) I NEVER said Bush was the cause of the problem here.
2) Have you ever been homeless? I have and I can tell you this, once you are homeless it's ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE to get back on your feet with a job and a home. If it wasn't for some wonderful people in our community my family wouldn't have gotten back on our feet. We were sleeping in our car, they put us up in a motel room and told my mom to use their address as her own so that she could get a job. If you don't have a "permanent" address it is next to impossible to get a job. So until you have been homeless do not make the assumption that most of the people who are homeless are that way because of their own choices. Many of the homeless are mentally impaired or abuse survivors/victims. I have yet to meet one homeless person who is that way by choice and who would not willingly do anything to get out of it, nor have I met anyone who is not willing to accept help when it is offered.
3) I'm glad that you can afford healthcare. Not everyone can. My husband and I can't afford to pay for private health insurance as well as the "everyday" bills that we have to pay but the state will not help us because we make too much money (thankfully, we have been able to get help for our daughters). That is why I think that it is a great idea to a universal health plan in place for those that can't afford private insurance.
4)NCLB was one of Bush's "babies" and the reason that I WILL NOT support Senator Obama is because he thinks it's a great program and needs to be expanded.
04-21-2008, 06:02 PM
I am truly sorry you were homeless. I am very glad you received help and were able to get back on your feet again. The way that you describe that you received help is exactly what I meant by there being services available and ways out.
Do you or your husband HAVE to work at a job that doesn't provide health care? Are you forced to not try and find other jobs that do provide health care? My husband and I would not be able to afford health care on our own, either, but his job, as many jobs do, provides health coverage. My heart does go out to you, but once again, choices are made that put you into situations in life. There is ALWAYS a choice to be made no matter how bad the situation may be. My son's birth cost us almost $2,000 WITH health care. We are on an 85%-15% after deductibles. Our plan isn't the best, but we make do. I don't want taxes forcibly raised to support what would be a monstrosity of another government program!
Your disrespectful way or referring to President Bush as 'Bush' and 'dubyah' made it seem like you felt he was the problem. Forgive me if I misinterpreted your tone.
We may just have to agree to disagree.
04-22-2008, 08:53 AM
I did a response to your statement but it timed out. Evidently fate is telling me something. So I will just say this. I totally and completely disagree with you regarding choices and changes. I have been on both side of the fence regarding insurance. We've had it and we haven't had it. Honestly, with the insurance that we were able to afford we are better off without it. If you think that it is so easy to just change jobs and get one that offers affordable but good insurance I want to live in your world. Come on down here to my corner of the world and see how easy that is.
I have absolutely no respect for the current President and I feel that he should have been impeached years ago. I do not call him Mr. President or President B... because he hasn't earned that respect (not in my eyes).
My last statement in this thread is too the OP. I'm sorry your thread got hijacked and derailed into such a heated debate.
04-22-2008, 10:57 AM
Is this still "just for fun"???
I cannot discuss the politics of this election objectively... apparently I'm not the only one who has this problem.
I support Hillary.
04-22-2008, 09:56 PM
McCain all the way here. Not my first choice for Republican Candidacy but as Colin Powell isn't running, I'll vote for whatever Republican does.
04-23-2008, 01:13 PM
I would have to go with McCain, but like many others he's not my first choice for republican, but its what we have.
04-24-2008, 01:15 PM
IN THE PAST ELECTIONS I NORMALLY WENT FOR THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE. HOWEVER THIS YEAR I AM DEFINITELY VOTING FOR McCAIN. IN MY OPINION HILLARY IS A LIAR & I COULDN'T IMAGINE BELEIVING HER. AS MUCH AS I CAN'T STAND THE THOUGHT OF HER BECOMING PRESIDENT NOTHING SCARES ME LIKE PEOPLE BACKING OBAMA. I AM ABSOLUTELY SHOCKED & HORRIFIED THAT THE ..AMERICAN PUBLIC... AMERICAN... ARE BACKING A "MAN" WHO CLAIMS HE CAN RUN & PROTECT OUR COUNTRY WHEN HE WILL NOT, I REPEAT *REFUSES* TO PLEDGE TO OUR FLAG. TOO MANY MEN & WOMEN HAVE DIED FOR THIS COUNTRY<PAST & PRESENT> & I FEEL HE IS TOTALLY DISRESPECTFUL TO OUR COUNTRY!!! I UNDERSTAND WE ALL HAVE OUR OWN VIEWS ... SO VOTING FOR HILLARY IS NOT THE WORST, BUT I AM STILL IN SHOCK THAT OBAMA IS EVEN A CANDIDATE.
04-24-2008, 02:46 PM
APEMBERTON I don't know where you heard or read that Senator Obama refused to say the Pledge of Allegiance but that is completely untrue.
This link tells what really happened http://thinkonthesethings.wordpress.com/2007/11/02/barack-obama-refused-to-say-the-pledge-of-allegiance-youve-been-played-for-a-daggone-fool/
you can also check out snopes.com and search Obama Pledge of Allegiance and it tells you the same thing.
04-24-2008, 02:47 PM
I know that I said I wouldn't post on this topic anymore but outright lies irritate me and I felt the need to atleast give the email addresses so that people could get the proper/correct information.
04-24-2008, 03:34 PM
Well The Sad Part Is America Will Get The Proper Information If He Is God Forbid Elected.
04-24-2008, 04:04 PM
so you are just going to totally ignore the fact that you received and accepted incorrect information, and that you are helping to spread lies about someone that you have decided you don't like and don't want to know more about. You remind me of those people who are still spreading lies about Senator Obama being a Muslim Terrorist. You don't know crap but your gonna spread it thick and hope it sticks. It's sad that there are still people like that floating around this world and still allowed to spread messages of hate.
04-24-2008, 04:33 PM
I am voting for Obama! There really is something about Clinton that pushes me away from her. And I love how the media is all over Obama's every move.. he should feel flattered, that means they believe he is serious competition. I trully don't believe you can really understand how people feel unless you have been in their shoes, and that is what would motivate you more to make change. When I look at Obama, I see a man who can honestly say he has been through a struggle, so he can relate to me (us). Clinton, on the other hand, reaks of someone who has always had a VERY good upbringing, so how can she possibly understand? And plus, I would like someone New and Fresh!
McCain? I am personally tired of him. I have seen so many of his speches and he has said some things to make you wonder if he really knows what he's talking about, but, of course, the media wouldn't dare cover that! Why should they, when they have an articulate African American running for president also?
This is all my PERSONAL OPINION ladies!
04-24-2008, 05:11 PM
I Agree W/ Mama080808 Everything Is My Personal Opinion. Thanks To All The Men & Women Who Have Fought, & Are Still Fighting, We All Get To Vote Based On Our Own Opinion. As For Twiceblessed I Am Sorry You Are Taking Everything So Personaly & Are Trying To Attack Me Personaly, But You Do Not Know Me Or Anything I Am About So You Can Continue To Make Yourself Look Bad By Making Rude Remarks Towards Me. I Could Have Sworen You Said You Were Not Going To Reply Anymore Since You Got Heated In Your Last Post In Regards To What Another Blogger Was Posting!!!
04-24-2008, 05:24 PM
How was I taking anything personal? I believe that as an American citizen and a voter that it is my right and responsibility to research all the facts of something and if I can find proof that someone is mis-stating something point that out. You used misstatement as fact and all I did is point out that you are wrong in that and provided links to prove my point so actually I wasn't attacking you personally I was attacking rumors and innuendo. I don't see how stating facts makes me look bad...
and since I'm a member of this site and I have not caused any trouble I do believe that I can change my mind and decide to post in a thread I had decided not to post in previously.
04-24-2008, 05:27 PM
You Do Not Know Me Or Anything I Am About So You Can Continue To Make Yourself Look Bad By Making Rude Remarks Towards Me.
Aren't you doing the same thing towards Senator Obama? You are making comments and innuendo about someone you know nothing about and you are making yourself look bad.
And just so you know I won't vote for Senator Obama, I don't like how as a Senator he has done nothing but try to get support to become the next President.
04-24-2008, 05:30 PM
TO TWICEBLESSED I BELEIVE THESE WORDS WERE A LITTLE BIT OF A PERSONAL ATTACK. "You don't know crap but your gonna spread it thick and hope it sticks. It's sad that there are still people like that floating around this world and still allowed to spread messages of hate."
ANYWAYS GOOD LUCK VOTING!!!!
04-24-2008, 05:40 PM
I concede that it came across as a personal attack and that it would have been better expressed as "you don't know if this crap is real and you are helping spread it around"--
However, I stand by my opinion that one should completely research what they are told, sent etc. To not do so is to help spread falsehoods and lies.
04-24-2008, 06:04 PM
Good thing no one is getting thier 'panties in a bunch' with this, mine included! :)
It, in my opinion, is great to have this discussion (chat). I think that it gets people really thinking about their views and other's views (I hope!) and lets individuals evaluate what they believe and what others believe. It is important that we are allowed to have these types of debates (arguments:)) so that we are all able to better understand the importance of free speech.
I just feel so strongly that the Democratic party is not in the game currently for the good of the country as the country was designed. I am afraid that they want the country to become more socialist. I so believe in our Republic and capitalism and think that competition is one of the things that truly makes this country great. When government is given all the power and it takes away the power of competition, what are we as citizens left with? Crap, more than likely (gov. schools, for ex.). I also just do not want the government to be expanded to have another gigantic department to suck the taxpayers dry (among other problems) with a national gov. health care system that the Democrats seem to so desperately want. Once again I will point to the Dept. of Ed. How much more of a waste of money could the national government possibly make this dept? I am afraid to find out.
Everyone is never going to totally agree, and I personally feel that the Republican party is sticking more closely with the tenets that this country was founded on than the Democrats. Is McCain the best candidate? I don't think so; he has often be accused of being a RINO (Republican in Name Only). However, he is the candidate that has been chosen. I personally believe Fred Thompson would have been the best candidate to uphold the Constitution, unfortunately his support was just not there.
Just my opinions that I hope will be considered.
04-24-2008, 06:31 PM
Here is my opinion (hopefully no one gets mad at me, since it is just an opinion):
I agree with APEMBERTON about OBAMA. Not only will he not pledge allegience, he wont wear an American pin, AND he is a member of a church that their sole allegience is to Africa and is VERY racial. "A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA"...that is a direct quote from his churches website. So what if we need to go to war with Africa, if he has a non-negotiable commitment to Africa, what happens then to America? He never gives straight answers to anything that is asked about his church, instead he just backs off of it, but still is an active member of the church. He scares me. Why in the world is he in this election?
I would rather vote for Hilary, but if Obama is the democratic nominee, I will vote for McCain, too much is at stake to nominate Obama.
04-24-2008, 07:38 PM
Once again I'm just wondering if anyone actually researches anything before passing it off as the truth.
"You know, the truth is that right after 9/11, I had a pin," Obama said. "Shortly after 9/11, particularly because as we're talking about the Iraq War, that became a substitute for I think true patriotism, which is speaking out on issues that are of importance to our national security, I decided I won't wear that pin on my chest."
"Instead," he said, "I'm going to try to tell the American people what I believe will make this country great, and hopefully that will be a testimony to my patriotism."--this is a direct quote from abc.com
04-24-2008, 08:49 PM
I wasn't going to even read this thread because politics, like religion, is SUBJECTIVE and I just knew this would have become askew. What I've learned throughout the years is that not only can two people come away with the same message from the SAME EXACT statement or story, but those same stories can be written and or conveyed through the thoughts of the writer and can be biased. I know that there's not supposed to be bias in the news, but I think we all know there is.
I had watched parts of the debate last week in Philadelphia and I turned it off due to the bias of those asking the questions in Hillary's favor and I support Hillary.
Twiceblessed, you are obviously very passionate about politics as others are passionate about their views and simply because others may have come away with a different message than you did from the same stories doesn't mean anyone is passing on anything that is untrue. It is their interpretation and as a result, shapes their opinion.
By the way, I did read the articles that you highlighted and I came away with a different opinion, which furthers my above statement and is the reason for my post.
I just hope that regardless of who anyone votes for that we can encourage everyone to vote who is able. Remember, it was the interpretation of the constutition and the 19th amendment as a result that even allows us the right to do so.
04-24-2008, 09:42 PM
Actually I hate politics--can't stand politicians. But I do feel that before someone starts spreading statements as fact they should make sure they are accurate first. So anytime I see or read someone passively accepting what they read without doing any kind of research to prove or disprove it, then I will point out to them what my research shows, whether it agrees or disagrees with what they say. My passion is my husband and my children and making sure that there is a future for them to enjoy.
04-24-2008, 11:11 PM
Ok , so we are in a lose lose situation.If we vote for Clinton we have no chance of moral values or our children surviving ,because she doesn't care if you kill your kids or mess with their heads by being a homosexual. Obama is no better .He's a muslim .Who are we fighting in the war,people!!!! If he gets into office Al Quida can come in and take over any time they get good and ready to.
McCain is not much better ,but I would have to say he is the lesser of the evils. I had hoped that Huckabee would be able to hold on, but since he wasn't able to we will have to make do with what we got.
As for President Bush, I wish people would just leave the man alone. He has tried to do what he felt was right for our country and all of those people that were so gung ho for us to go over there and kick some muslim booty are turning their backs on him now. I'm sure HE will be GLAD to get out of the White House and let them beat up on someone else for a while.
04-25-2008, 06:09 AM
Ok , so we are in a lose lose situation.If we vote for Clinton we have no chance of moral values or our children surviving ,because she doesn't care if you kill your kids or mess with their heads by being a homosexual. Obama is no better .He's a muslim .Who are we fighting in the war,people!!!! If he gets into office Al Quida can come in and take over any time they get good and ready to.
Such racism and wrongness is baffling. And even though I can provide proof that Senator Obama is NOT a Muslim such as this type of proof http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp
your still gonna go around and say that he is huh?
Do you have any idea what you are talking about??? You do realize that we are NOT fighting Muslims we are fighting TERRORISM????? And TERRORISM can show up in any religion or culture? Ummm, the Oklahoma City Bombing--act of TERRORISM BY A "CHRISTIAN"!!!!!!!!!!!!
Where in the heck did you get your information about Senator Clinton wanting people to kill their children? Ummmm what the heck? "Mess with their heads by being an homosexual?"
You are one scarily confused person!
Please tell me that you aren't as racist and bigoted as you are making yourself sound!
04-25-2008, 11:16 AM
twiceblessed, how come you believe everything you read but dont believe us when we have read things as well. No I do not have links to everything simply because I do not have the time to do that. But I have read up plenty on Obama and he was once Muslim and now a member of a radical church that hates everyone that doesn't fit in their little perfect world. I do not want a president that has a non-negotiable commitment to Africa...where is his commitment from us? Who is Obama really? What are his intentions? I do not THINK his intentions are good. But again that is only my opinion. And one more thing, you seem to be taking things to heart, and nothing on this thread has been straight out bashing except for what you say. All this should be is saying our opinions and not saying who is right and who is wrong. I agree with sjbelli ... everyone reads things and understands it differently. Dont go bashing people because they dont view things like you do.
04-25-2008, 11:37 AM
Soupermum: Thank You For Finally Having The Guts To Tellthe Truth. Obama Is Muslim!!!!! For Obvious Reasons He Is Covering It Up, But The Truth Is He Is. I Totally Agree W/ You That We Are In A Lose-lose Situation. Honestly No One Would Ever Be Perfect For This Job, But We Only Have Three Choices & Mccain Is Definitely The Best Choice In My Opinion!!!!
My Opinion Only & I Don't Need Websites To Back Up My Facts..i Know For A Fact He Is Part Muslim!!!!
04-25-2008, 11:54 AM
erin I take nothing to heart. It's not like there is a discussion going on about my mother or anything here. How have I bashed anyone or anything? I have conceded to APEMBERTON that a comment I made in response to something she said was written in a manner that yes did come out as offensive and that my thoughts would have been better written in a different wording.
I had a difference of opinion with sherriann but i don't feel that it was taken to heart or overdone--my views on certain areas differ from hers and i made my point and that's it. done
yes I stated that soupermom's comments regarding Senator Obama and Muslims as being racist. Just because someone is Muslim does not mean they are a terrorist. To imply any different like soupermom did is racist and wrong.
I list the websites that I research so that one may see where I get my information and why I disagree with statements they make. If you can prove me wrong go for it, but there is nothing wrong with me disagreeing with someone and having areas that I can use to back up what i say.
Also, if you read my previous posts on this topic you will see that I clearly state that I would never vote for Senator Obama because I do not agree with how he has run his "career" as a Senator. He has served on no committees to help anyone or anything of that nature.
But I am a person who believes that when a statement is made about someone it needs to be based atleast in part on facts and not completely on emotion.
Yes, APEMBERTON that is your opinion. But you are stating that you know for a fact that Senator Obama is part Muslim. How do you know this for a fact? Are you him in disguise? Yes I'm being sarcastic here but unless you are the person you are speaking of you have no way of knowing if anything that is said about them is a fact or not.
04-25-2008, 12:10 PM
Well I have seen in many different places that Obama once was muslim until he started in his church he is in now and has been in for the past 20 years. And I dont think it is being racist stating that it scares someone that a possible muslim could be president...since we are at war with terrorists that just happen to be all muslim. I am totally afraid of Obama, I just have a horrible gut feeling about this guy and hope to God he does not become president.
04-25-2008, 12:20 PM
Twiceblessed: According To Your Theory On Not Talking Since I Am Not Obama... & I Am Assuming You Are Not Either... I Guess You Have No Way Of Knowing Anything You Have Been Saying Is True Or Not Either Correct??? So I Guess All Your "facts" & All Your Web Links Are Just Opinion Too Since Those Websites Are Not Obama Himself??????
04-25-2008, 12:22 PM
I'm not as afraid of Obama as I am of Mitt Romney. Something about him gives me the heebeejeebies. Nothing I can actually pin point. I also don't like how he wants to bring religion to public office. There is separation for a reason.
Everything that I have read on Obama has said that it was his father who was a non practicing Muslim and that his mother is Christian and that he has never considered himself Muslim. There is really no difference in Obama's church and McCain's church. McCain's preacher has opinions that McCain doesn't agree with and vice versa. Just because Obama goes to a certain church doesn't mean he believes in everything they preach. Wouldn't you agree.
The part that I consider racist is the implication that all Muslims are terrorists.
04-25-2008, 12:31 PM
point taken APEMBERTON but I do not believe that I said you should believe what I say or anything of that nature. However, I do disagree with certain statements that were made and I have provided links as to why I believe as I do. I never said don't speak unless you are Obama, I said that unless you are him in disguise you don't know anything about him to be factual or not.
Nope I don't know for certain if anything I have ever read or watched is fact or not. For all I know we are aliens, the earth is flat and we are floating in nothing but urine. But I do believe that all sides of a situation need to be researched before one can truly make a decision or form an opinion. There are three sides to everything, yours, mine and the truth. To get to the truth you must look at all sides. Learned that one at my grandaddy's knee and that's what I try to do everyday.
04-27-2008, 03:18 PM
twiceblessed.. I just want to give you a round of applause (not sarcastically either) because you have really had to hear it from these ladies, and you stood your ground. No one can really know anything for sure because we are not these people running for president, all we can do is hope for the best. It is funny though to read some of these comments! Everyone seemed to have forgotten about Osama Bin Ladin and now its about fighting Muslims! Ha Ha! But whatever! May the BEST candidate win :)
04-27-2008, 05:43 PM
Thank you mama, I appreciate that. I'm a researcher by instinct. If someone tells me something then I research the heck out of it. I've been like that as far back as I can remember. I don't accept anything blindly and I don't think that anyone else should either. My husband gets really irritated with me because he'll look at me and tell me something he heard on the news or read in the paper and I'm on the internet or at the library not that long after looking into it. That's just who I am. I like to know all sides of things. And maybe it's because I'm a Southern woman, or because I'm the baby of my family or because I'm a Leo or all of the above, but I don't give up trying to get my point across. I'm not trying to get people to believe what I believe or be a dictator about how they should believe I'm just trying to say "hey, this is my belief and this is why", a lot of folks don't like that but oh well. I make my point then I go on.
But again mama, thanks for your understanding.
04-30-2008, 06:40 AM
I will vote for Obama, but if Clinton wins, then I'll vote for her :-)
05-02-2008, 03:32 PM
I would vote for Obama any day over Clinton. Look at how her husband handled being president. God forbid we get another Clinton in the White House. I don't trust her as far as I can throw her. My fear is she will do exactly what her husband did as president and walk all over the "little people" You don't know anything about the republican reps because all you hear about is Obama and Clinton. I may be registered as a republican but I will vote democrat this time.
05-02-2008, 04:25 PM
While I will suck it up and vote for whichever Dem receives the nomination, I am a staunch Hillary supporter... I just can't fully trust Obama...
05-04-2008, 09:55 PM
not one candidate has any plans of breaking it all down and starting over WHICH IS BADLY NEEDED. i don't know who all this bureaucratic nonsense works for, but it's NOT WORKING. i'm not voting because i'm for REVOLUTION. call me a hippie bound for electro-shock but it's all got to END.
05-27-2008, 11:22 PM
I can't vote for McCain. He is not pro-choice, he supports a ban on gay marriage, he has voted (surprisingly) against several measures to help veterans, he is not hesitant about stating that he will go to war with Iran where I support diplomacy over violence , he supports drilling in the Artic, and on and on and on... basically he supports Republican values, and the typical Republican values don't mesh well with my own world view.
I'm voting for Obama (or Clinton if she overcomes the odds against her) for certain. Edwards was my first choice, Obama my second, Hillary was my third. I specifically like Obama for several concrete and well-researched reasons:
He does not accept money from lobbyists, and I feel he will be less inclined to sell out to corporate interests than either of the other two candidates. He is not afraid to speak honestly about the difficult subject of race and the huge, insidious undercurrent of racial tension that still exists in this country and is virtually ignored in mainstream discussion. He has a strong record and opinion on environmental conservation, and he has a good plan to focus on alternative fuel to both help end our oil dependence and create the job market of the future. I agree that universal healthcare is a necessity. He is pro-choice which is very important to me as a woman. He is not anti-homosexuals. He does not support illegal wiretapping. Based on the fact that he has gotten far more co-sponsers on his bills than either Clinton or McCain, I believe he is the best choice if we want a president who can work WITH the "other team" instead of AGAINST them. He voted against going to this war (Iraq) which I was opposed to from the get-go as well. But even more importantly, he has a great ability to bring people together and also speak to our highest good. In other words he's very inspiring. I think that is a very important quality in a leader, if not THE most important quality. After all, the president is the "leader of the free world" and should be able to present him/herself as such. He is the best candidate in my opinion to help our diplomatic efforts at home and around the world.
As for the muslim issue, fact is different than opinion, and the facts clearly show that he is not. BUT, even if he was would that be relevant? Last I checked, the Constitution calls for the separation of church and state. It does not require the president to be of any religious affiliation. To those who follow the false Muslim accusation with the idea that he will let Al Quaida take over the USA - that is absolutely absurd. I know plenty of Muslims, who are not secrectly assembling bombs and compiling flight textbooks in their basement. Give me a break. That is a terribly inflammatory and blatantly stereotypical and hateful belief - it's a shame that people give in to fears like that. It demeans a very very large chunk of our world's population. As for the "hand over the heart" during the anthem issue: the US flag code states that standing at attention towards the flag is a sufficient way of showing respect to our anthem. Furthermore, to say that he refuses to do it is a blatent lie anyway. I've seen videos of him with his hand on his heart during the anthem, and also of him reciting the pledge of allegience. Some of you may also be interested to know that the US flag code also states that ANY "recognizable representation of the flag, either in whole or in part", other than an actual flag to be flown, is disrespectful and not permitted. The interpretation of this is that flag napkins, window decals, flag emblazoned boxer shorts, and even lapel pins fall into this category. That is a fact, please research it. And one more thing, if baffles me that his church being dedicated to the African roots of the majority of the congregation is seen as negative. It is support that has historically been missing for people of color until very recently in our history. It is not the same as saying that they support Africa OVER the US. Furthermore, even if the chuch meant it that way, does that mean that Obama by default agrees? Chuch for most people is a spiritual base - it doesn't equal a mandate to agree fully with every position of the church (or the pastor). I am adamantly pro-life, but does that mean if I go to a catholic chuch than I suddenly have to change my position?
I fully support Obama, however I believe Clinton has her strong points as well. She's better on the environment in my opinion than he is. She has a slightly better record on education but only because she's been around a bit longer to rack up more votes. They are really not vastly different when it comes to policy. My biggest fear about Clinton is the NAFTA issue (she campaigned heavily in support of it as first lady) and the horrible result of that deal. Also I fear her relatively large big-money base. I think that she has been a part of the Washington status-quo for so long, that it has her tied up. She can't act any other way than politically - and sometimes the best choice to further her career as a politician is not the best choice for me (us). I don't fully trust her to stand up to the Washington machine. I want a fresh perspective.
05-28-2008, 02:08 AM
I have absolutely nothing to add except that I wish sometimes I wasn't old enough to vote because I dislike them all. :(
05-28-2008, 10:41 AM
Although I am Republican to a tee generally, I have to say that McCain does not represent most of the issues that Republicans hold near and dear, so to speak. He also tends to be wishy-washy in that I have heard him many times retract a previous view because his current audience doesn't agree with it... I am tempted not to vote period. I cannot vote for a democrat - my views definately don't mesh there, but McCain definately rubs me the wrong way! I would actually love a candidate to say for once that they don't have an opinion on a subject and stick with it - instead of saying it to one state and then the next state they have a "strong" opinon on the same subject.
06-16-2008, 02:31 AM
I'm not going to get into a debate about this but I will never understand how a woman can be pro-choice "because she's a woman". Have you even had an abortion? Does it do nothing to your psyche or conscience? The whole thing about the pro-choice movement is freedom to choose about their own body, right? But it's not your body. It's the baby's body. Nobody wants to accept that. It doesn't matter if you're religious or not, you have to admit that some part of you believes that really is a live person you are destroying in there. To find "facts" that say the baby doesn't feel it is just a way to make you feel better at night but deep down, you know what you're doing. I'm done on this subject. It's all been said before.
06-17-2008, 05:56 PM
A woman being prochoice or not is a whole seperate issue for a whole different thread. That being said, as far as a candidate being prochoice or prolife, I wish there was one somewhere inbetween! I have had an abortion, and am caught somewhere between on the issue. While I strongly believe now that every woman needs options, because certain circumstances sometimes happen, I hate to see abortion being used as a birth control method, and I do believe that too many people (nowadays) view it as such and have multiple abortions. I wish we had a candidate running that could somehow put guidelines on the use of abortion. Like, I dunno, that a person can't have abortion after abortion after abortion after abortion - but without taking away the right of women in general to have the option to abort in the case of medical emergency, rape or just in general a one time mistake on her part... All the candidates this election and all presidents in the past lean totally one way or the other, prochoice or prolife, they don't seem to be able to meet in the middle on this issue
06-18-2008, 11:09 AM
"in the case of medical emergency, rape"
That is usually the response I get from pro-choicers. However, I have seen statistics that show these instances are less than 5% of the abortions that are done. The majority are because of inconvenience.
" or just in general a one time mistake on her part... "
and that's just wrong. Adoption... not abortion. People make ALL KINDS mistakes that change their lives. That is why it is important to teach children of consequences from wrongdoings. If the consequence means bearing a child, then so be it. Don't kill it. If you are unable to care for the baby, put it up for adoption. Many parents are out there that can't have kids and are looking to adopt.
You are correct though. This should be in a different thread if it were to continue. HOWEVER, McCaine being a democratic republican, ha, may meet somewhere in the middle. It's hard to find a middle ground on that particular issue though because no matter what system is created, someone will always find a way to beat it. If there were some guideline about medical emergency only abortions, it wouldn't work the way it was intended.
1st Time Mom - Again
06-29-2008, 01:05 PM
I don't like any of the candidates but I have to say I think Obama has a real shot at it with the right VP (maybe Edwards?) but if he chooses Hillary I think he'll be shooting himself in the foot - she raises the hackles of too many poeple - myself included.
Do I think we are ready for a woman president? Yes! Hillary? Absolutely not - though it's a moot point now with Obama getting the nomination.
The choice he makes for VP can so totally make the difference for him against McCain. Who do I want to win? I don't really know - I don't much care for any of the candidates who ran this time. I'll really need to think about it before the election but I can honestly say if Obama chooses Hillary as his running mate - I'll vote for McCain in a heartbeat!
06-29-2008, 01:22 PM
McCain gets my vote. Who wants a president who has announced in public that he will not repeat the Pledge. He LL my 5 year old honors the United States more than the Democratic Party. Just for laughs my son believes the the flag is named George Bush. Everytime he passes a flag he shouts out "mom I see George Bush." What a Young Republican I have on my hands, maybe one day he will be President.
06-30-2008, 01:28 PM
Everyones so Scared of Obama but it is McCain that you should be afraid of. We know for a fact that thousands more American troops will die if he is elected. He said he wouldn't mind being in Iraq for 100 years.
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