View Full Version : Starvation in the name of bonding-part 3
03-17-2009, 03:44 AM
HI ladies, its me again, Im back. An awesome nurse brought this to my attention..you all must get the book..here is the link for the article that was on MSNBC..its the CASE AGAINST BREASTFEEDING>>>not that i am..just reiterates what i was saying...see ya..have fun reading....http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29710422/
The case against breast-feeding
Is breast-feeding essential or is it an instrument that keeps women down?
03-17-2009, 09:08 AM
I think that was a great article, very insightful. But, it has nothing to do with what you had posted. We know that formula isn't poison. So, umm, what's your point? Breastfeeding is better, even if it's a 'little' bit. Why I didn't introduce formula while I breastfed: He wasn't a great latcher anyways, he never went hungry (I'll say it again, HE NEVER WENT HUNGRY), and it was MY decision. Not my nurses, not my doctor's...mine.
And I will tell you this, again. I had a very, very pushy nurse in the hospital. She PUSHED breastfeeding and told me NOT to give him a bottle or a pacifier because it was mess up his latch. So, I guess not all nurses think the same way as you.
Also, I wanted you to know, that if one of my nurses was sitting on Babytalk while she held my newborn son, I would have gotten her fired. Plain and simple. If you are hired to care for a frail, newborn infant, stay off of the Web.
(And you do know that you can have just one thread about this correct...It doesn't stop working or anything, no need for the "parts."
03-17-2009, 12:06 PM
I thought you said you were done with this... weren't going to post anymore.
That article has NOTHING to do with what you're saying, that article is about one woman's choice not to breast feed backed up by inconclusive studies. The point of not introducing a bottle is that babies get nipple confusion. It's very important for them to learn to latch on and learn how to use a human nipple not an artificial nipple.
If you are the nurse you claim to be, why is it you do not know this? Some babies will get the taste of formula if they have it, but that usually is if they have it for an extended period of time.... it's the nipples on the bottle that are the problem. Some babies get nipple confusion easily. I was blessed with a baby who can switch back and forth between the bottle and the breast but not every baby will.
Also, most formulas are made from processed cows milk which babies have a hard time digesting. It causes constipation and some babies are allergic to it. They can be switched to soy based, but the other side effects are still there, and some babies are allergic to soy as well. Very few cases of allergies to breast milk have been found because breast milk is for humans and humans are generally not allergic to the milk that shares a common genetic link with themselves.
Oh but the article does not bring up THAT, does it?
The studies she cites in her article are just as inconclusive as the studies she slams in the article. No one died from formula (unless it was tainted or expired... by the way, breasts don't have an expiration date stamped on them). But a good staff at a hospital knows how to makes sure the mother is properly breast feeding the baby.
03-17-2009, 05:06 PM
yah it was my last post but when I seen that it totally proved my point! ---"""""""""Also, I wanted you to know, that if one of my nurses was sitting on Babytalk while she held my newborn son, I would have gotten her fired. Plain and simple. """"""""" there is no plain and simple..not only is that not a fireable offense...we chart with the baby in one arm...we do alot..all while remaining strict infection control standards! its better to hold and multi task them to leave them cry like they would be..20 babies a night for one nurse...where's the brains in that..moral of the story..when I had my kids..they stayed with me in my room! Again..for my final post ..if there is no other newsworthy info...is...I never said breastfeeding was wrong, I BREASTFED...what I am saying is THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH OFFERING A LITTLE FORMULA TO HOLD THE BABY OVER IF HE IS HUNGRY..if you are full of milk like I have seen some moms..PUMP BOTTLE the second day...fine..you do not even need bottles..BUT MY POINT WAS THE ARTICLE..DONT INTIMIDATE OTHER PEOPLE AND MAKE THEM FEEL GUILTY FOR GIVING THEIR KIDS FORMULA...and nipple confusion..duh..what a stupid topic..yah for some babies but they get it..like one great spanish patient said.."if he wants to eat he will learn to differentiate." so..all the mean moms out there who like to let thier kids go hungry..i guess keep doing what your doing..just dont take your mean mentality to the PTA meetings..because we dont want to hear it!!!!! :) peace out!
03-17-2009, 06:09 PM
I'll take my mean mentality anywhere I want to.
Nipple confusion is real because babies at a young age get a preference and as Jenn's overbearing nurse said, it can hinder their ability to suck properly at the breast. I don't agree that an occasional pacifier or bottle will completely destroy the ability to suck, if the child is using one for an extended time it will.
Milk flows faster out of a nipple in a bottle than the breast. So nipple confusion comes in when a baby gets used to the fast flow of milk and the different texture of the bottle nipple, when offered the breast, the baby will choose the method that gets them the most milk and the method that they have felt previously and found comforting. Even at three months on the occasions I give my son a bottle, he gets very confused by the texture and shape and chews on it rather than drinking from it for a few minutes. Like I said before, I'm rather lucky that he can switch, but as time has gone on, he has a preference for the breast that I have to struggle to give him a bottle.
Also, since you know everything... LC's don't recommend pumping in the first month because it can affect your milk supply... it won't come in enough if you pump too much during the first month.
Finally... surfing when you are in a hospital... sorry, that has got to be a huge no no. Since you are a nurse you can tell me what PHI is and why access to the internet is a liability. Beyond that... I'm sorry, it's utterly irresponsible to surf message boards and take care of a screaming newborn. You're attention is supposed to be on the baby. I had never once seen any nurse fill out a chart while hands on with a patient, especially a baby.
So call me mean, I'm calling you a liar.
03-17-2009, 11:01 PM
My take on this:
You are a troll trying to get a rise out of breastfeeding mothers. You think it is funny to sit on a message board and try to make mothers feel bad for breastfeeding. I highly, highly doubt you are a nurse. You are most likely a teenager. Probably, maybe a little retarded (just basing this on your grammar and typing skills.) Telling me that surfing the web while caring for "twenty newborns" is not a "fireable" (not a word) offense.
B.U.L.L.S.H.I.T. Is that responsible? No. Is that irresponsible? Yes. Is that "fireable?" Absolutely.
Please, dear, go harass someone else. You aren't convincing anyone.
Addys_mum, twins_twins, Echo? I'm guessing so....
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