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madyryn
08-21-2008, 10:08 PM
Does anyone use those monkey backpack things to keep a hold of their kids in crowded places? When I used one on my 3 yr old when we went to the Fair, some people looked at me funny. I really dont think there is anything wrong with using them in places where there are alot of people. Its just to risky to trust him to stay right with us, maybe by next summer he might listen enough!
thanks!

Disco Lemonade
08-21-2008, 10:25 PM
Many people think it is weird to put your child on some sort of leash like a dog. I on the other hand say, I dont care what they think as long as my child is SAFE and in sight, besides those teddy bear one's are adorable.

kaiya23
08-21-2008, 10:39 PM
I always thought it was strange to use a leash type contraption on a child. But considering what happens to kids, I understand how it can cause a parent to feel the need for it. I think I'd prefer to use a stroller, even if the child is on the older side. It keeps them from getting over tired and then cranky because they've had to walk everywhere, gives them a place to sleep if they do get tired, and you can keep them contained. Now, I only have a 15 month old daughter who walked herself out of the day care without holding my hand for the first time today, so I'm at the start of this phase of life. But I would think that by the time they are too old for a stroller, they are also too old for a "leash" and probably are old enough to know to stay close to you at all times.

Like I said though, I'm just starting with the part of life where my child can escape from me...I'm still learning.

madyryn
08-21-2008, 10:41 PM
I just dont look at them like dog leashes. it keeps my son safe with me and thats all I care about it!

Melinda_Jane
08-21-2008, 11:14 PM
i personally will not use one on my children, but i dont think theres anything wrong with other parents using them if it works well for them then great, i just dont like it personally jmo.

gostomskiart
08-22-2008, 08:28 AM
I have no problem with these and if my daughter proves to be a child who takes off (like my sister who would b-line to the nearest gumball machine - lol) then I'll use one too.

These "leashes" have actually been around for ages, I think they come and go in style. My mother remembers wearing one at a young age so they have been used before as early as the 40's/50's.

Bottom line (to me) is if it keeps your kid safe and you feel better with one then why not?

APEMBERTON
08-22-2008, 09:55 AM
They Do Look Funny Sometimes But I Think They Are A Very Good Invention. If You Need To Use It. I Don't Want To Use It On My Kid , But I'm Not Going To Say Never. My Mom Used The Wrist One On Me...well She Tried Apparently I Learned How To Get It Off Fast.lol. If It Works For You Don't Worry About What Everybody Else Says. I Think You Are Being A Good Mother By Keeping Him Close!!

lena241
08-22-2008, 06:17 PM
I have used one with my DD. I didnt use the harness though, ours came with a wrist strap, and we just used that. Most times we had the stroller with us, but she would want to walk. It gave me peace of mind, and her a little freedom.

I never cared what anyone thought, when I used it. I knew she was safe, and that is all that mattered.

babydomrocks
08-22-2008, 08:33 PM
I remember getting lost in Sea World, in California when I was like 3. Other than that, my mom used a leash on all three of us kids. I think the way it looks and the looks you get from other people doesn't outweigh the fact that you could lose your child, or the fact that they could be kidnapped. I agree with the stroller thing, but what about when you have an independent child who wants to walk. My husband and I disagree on the issue of leashes, but I know I will be using one when my baby starts walking

1st Time Mom - Again
08-22-2008, 10:20 PM
We live on a busy major road (55MPH) and when my daughter was 2 she took off toward the road and ignored my calling her back. In fact, she was giggling as hard as she could because Mommy was chasing her. (One of only 3X in her life I found it necessary to spank.) That was 20 years ago when I was fairly young and even then chasing her down was not easy (BOY, can toddlers move fast!)

20 years later and 20 years older, I know that chasing down a toddler who is determined to run is going to be much more difficult. At home, not too bad, but in public, much too easy to get seperated from my son.

I'm definitely getting a harness when he is old enough. I like the harness better than the wrist lead because it is less likely to pull the child off-balance and it offers more control while the "backpack" seems more like a toy to the child. Just my opinion.

luckymama2
08-22-2008, 10:51 PM
I have never used them and personally just don't prefer it. When my daughter went through her running away stage her punishment or "time-out" was that she would have to sit in her stroller/cart if she didn't hold onto my hand or the stroller/cart at all times. As soon as her hand moved I would remind her and if she had the nerve to test me and start running I'd grab her and instantly put her in the stroller. She'd cry and scream but she learned to not run away from us! That phase honestly lasted like a month when she realized she would not have the freedom to walk if she ran away. It was tough and frustrating but in the end it was for the best. My husband and I have discussed the leash but both of us agree the only place a parent should really have to use them is a place like disneyworld or other busy amusement park type places....but a trip to the grocery store or target seems like too much....a child also has to learn to obey and stay by his/her parent.

MamaT
08-23-2008, 01:09 PM
My son got the monkey one for his first birthday, and its one of the best gifts he got. We use it everywhere. When we go get groceries, we start with him walking and he's usually right beside both of us. eventually he gets tired of walking and get's put in the cart. I have had nothing but compliments on it. I'm waiting for the day someone tells me i'm treating my child like a dog.. because i'll say the same th ing my m other said. "at least i know where my child is, do you?"
my son likes to hold the "tail" of the monkey and keep me close to him.. so i know i'm safe with it. lol.

lindseyh911
08-24-2008, 08:17 AM
I've never used one myself. I think it would be very handy at a fair or amusement park, somewhere with lots of people and busy-ness. Kids get distracted so easily and think nothing of walking away to see something interesting. I don't think it's necessary all the time, like when you go grocery shopping.

windshieldbug
08-24-2008, 06:11 PM
I seriously thought about doing this for my daughter for a Convention in Atlanta over Labor Day....but we're just going to use one of those backback carrier things intead. It's more expensive, but I feel she's more secure and protected.

lena241
08-24-2008, 06:25 PM
I would like to mention that when we use ours, we only use it in very busy places.
I dont disagree that kids should learn to stay with there parents and the strap doesnt always enforce good listening skills. However, in situations such as fairs,
amusement parks, kids concerts, malls during holiday season, etc, we use it.

If we are just going to the grocery store, target, walmart, the library, she has to either hold my hand or sit in the cart.

craftyashley
08-24-2008, 08:14 PM
I love it. I have twins, that run the opposite direction. It just isn't safe for me to take them out alone without either a leash or a stroller. My kids hate the stroller, and walking with me gives them exercise (wears them out to take a good nap!). So these are essential for me. We go on walks around the neighborhood with them, to malls, etc. (basically, anywhere that doesn't offer shopping carts) It works great for me. I've never had anyone look disapprovingly at me about it. Most of the time they are ga-ga over the twins.

charliesmommy
08-24-2008, 08:40 PM
I remember seeing a little girl in a harness when I was a little and my mom being slightly appauled. I thought it was kind of weird too. But, now a days, I have no problem with it. If Charlies is a wonderer, I will invest in one and I will not give a crap what anyone else thinks about it.

I agree with Disco, they are kinda cute.

Lila42
08-27-2008, 11:58 AM
I have two small children 2 and 9 mos and I have used the doggie backpack leash for the two year old for a year now and have had nothing but positive feedback. I plan on using it for the little one as well. My older daughter LOVES the leash and treats it as a carry on stuffed toy. I love it because in this age of children being stolen and mistreated I would do anything to make them safe, while giving them a sense of independence that the leash provides.

dmh06519
08-28-2008, 03:58 PM
I went to a wedding once and a father had his little girl (about 2 y.o., I reckon) on a leash. He seemed to be pulling her back like a dog on a leash and I was appalled. Now, several years later I have toddler who screams bloody murder when I put her in the stroller or shopping cart if she's not feeling like being in it and spends all her time running away from me when I take her out the stroller. I've got a whole new perspective on child leashes. As soon as I find one, I'm getting it! Where can I find one?

Disco Lemonade
08-29-2008, 01:22 PM
I went to a wedding once and a father had his little girl (about 2 y.o., I reckon) on a leash. He seemed to be pulling her back like a dog on a leash and I was appalled. Now, several years later I have toddler who screams bloody murder when I put her in the stroller or shopping cart if she's not feeling like being in it and spends all her time running away from me when I take her out the stroller. I've got a whole new perspective on child leashes. As soon as I find one, I'm getting it! Where can I find one?

You could find them at wal-mart, babies r us, and I think toys r us stocks them too :)

c_helwig89
08-29-2008, 01:28 PM
I would only use one in a crowded place or something. Regardless, I am starting to get turned off by them because of a man in our apartment complex. My friend (she lives in the complex & we're moving in shortly) & I were doing her laundry at the laundry mat there, and here he comes, with his kid on the leash with NO ONE ELSE AROUND. If it's crowded or something, fine, but if there is no one there and the kid is well behaved, why do it?

In all fairness, I'm no where near that point yet & may change my mind later :-)

punkysmom06
09-03-2008, 08:27 AM
I always swore I would never use one. Guess what...now I have a daughter who is almost 2 and loves to run, run, run and I use the one with the dog on the back. My DD LOVES it. I only put it on if we are in a very crowded place like the zoo or something like that. We usually use the stroller. If my DH is out with us then we will let her out and walk because we are both there to catch her. I have to say that she does listen when I tell her to stop but I would rather have her safe so we use the leash in super crowded places. Here is a pic of her at the zoo with it on.

baby2otw
09-03-2008, 12:17 PM
I have used the monkey backpack ( its like a toy and it makes it fun & easy to put on my child and keep on) leash for my 2.5 yr old son. I have a very smart son who is strong willed and not yet a good listener. We are working on this skill DAILY. He will hold my hand when we cross the street because I have put the fear of God in him about cars; that they will hurt him if they don't see him. I also use strollers to keep my son nearby, but again, I have a boy who is ALL boy and he wants to RUN! He is all energy and does not hold back for anyone. So, he does not like to sit back and take a ride. He enjoys walking like us grown ups. I say, use the "leash" if you want. Don't if you don't, but don't look at moms like they are terrible because they want to keep their child safe.
Is a leash for dogs?
I once had a dog and I loved my dog that was never on "voice command" except for "sit", "lay Down", "roll over", "speak", and "shake", and I would never let her go on a walk with me without a leash because she was too unpredictable, and I feard that cars would not see her. Walking is great excercise. I could not imagine putting her in a stroller to walk, then she would not get the excercise. She was a dog, and my son is a child.

I am responsible for my son. As you are your child. Make your choice.

madyryn
09-04-2008, 11:20 PM
thank you all so much for all ur feedback! im so glad that there are so many moms out there that are on my side!! thanks again!

jojojoanie
09-05-2008, 02:35 PM
I remember when people first started using those leashes I was appalled. It seemed so lazy. But then I started to watch those kids in the zoo and understood immediately the importance of the can't-run-off-in-the-split-second-i-have-my-head-turned child leash.

Of course it's much more important to keep your child safe than to be worried about any judgments from people aren't blessed with parental experiences.

marchdreamer
06-24-2010, 12:21 AM
Ok, so my youngest dauhgter is barely six and weighs about 38 pounds. We will be in Washington D.C. for the 4th of July and I am very nervous. I have never been the kind of parent who would ever do a harness for any of my children, but I was told that on this day in DC there would be more people than we could imagine. We talked about it as a family and my husband feels it's not necessary, but all my children including my 6 year old have agreed that maybe it's a good idea. She even said she wanted to help select it. I am curious as to everyone else's opinion. She is so lightweight and easy to just grab but too tall to cary or put in a stroller.

charliesmommy
06-25-2010, 01:18 PM
I remember seeing a little girl in a harness when I was a little and my mom being slightly appauled. I thought it was kind of weird too. But, now a days, I have no problem with it. If Charlies is a wonderer, I will invest in one and I will not give a crap what anyone else thinks about it.

I agree with Disco, they are kinda cute.

Now that my son is 2 and a half my opinion on leashes has changed drastically. I would never put one on my kid...ever! That is what strollers are for. I am an older mom and have had to chase my kid but he is never far enough away from me for me to not be able to catch him. If he is uncontrollable, he goes in the stroller and deals with it. Leashes are for lazy parents.

kris5995
06-29-2010, 01:35 PM
now....i have not used one, but I totally should...I have two under 2 and this might actually be helpful. The 2 year old hates the shopping cart, now would I buy one....not sure, the leash conotation is off setting. But I would never judge someone....at least I hope not. this reponse was silly sorry!

Kris:-)
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Ruby575
06-29-2010, 03:59 PM
I always thought how weird it looked to use a leash on children but now I'd rather use one than lose my child. Now I havent used or purchased one as of yet but I am open to it. with all these crazy people out here taking kids, I'll put two leashes on.....lol

bluegrassmom
06-29-2010, 04:24 PM
I use the monkey backpack harness on my daughter and she loves it. She likes riding in the stroller, but loves to get out and walk too. I don't use it very often, but it has come in handy quite a bit. We started using it when she was just over a year old. I was sure people would tell me how terrible it was, but I've had nothing but good feedback. Most people tell me that they wish they'd had something like that for their kids when they were young.

byronsmom
06-29-2010, 08:57 PM
i would rather use the backpack harness on my son, then have him screaming in his stroller.i've used it at the airport, the zoo, the mall, hell i'm even using it this weakend. if that makes me lazy, i really don't care. your not my kid.

charliesmommy
06-30-2010, 10:32 AM
It sure does make you lazy and it makes you look like you're treating your child like a dog. If you can't keep a close enough eye on your kid that you have to leash him, you're a lazy parent and you don't pay enough attention to him.

byronsmom
07-01-2010, 12:29 PM
Charliemommy, opines are like butts everyone has them.

tmr00
07-12-2010, 12:01 PM
Not yet but I definitely will when my very independent 18 month old goes with me to a place like that.
1. No toddler likes to be stuck in a stroller all day.. .they want to run.
2. It's really easy for them to pull those pudgy little baby hands out of yours.
3. Who can carry a wriggling 3 year old when they are screaming, "down, down, down, down"
4. In a crowded fair or amusement park it's just to easy to turn for just a second or get bumped by someone and distracted and your baby is just gone
5. Toddlers just don't understand that they can get lost... they don't know what that means.... they figure if they wonder over this direction mom will follow....

Let them stare and disapprove.... who cares what strangers think your baby will be going home with you at the end of the day and you all had a wonderful family outing.

charliesmommy
07-12-2010, 12:24 PM
Charliemommy, opines are like butts everyone has them.

What is an opine? Apparently I am the only one who has a butt but not one of those.

Children look like dogs when attached to leashes. REAL parents are disgusted by those who leash their children because they are obviously LAZY! If you can't keep an eye on your child in public then don't take them out!

charliesmommy
07-12-2010, 12:32 PM
Not yet but I definitely will when my very independent 18 month old goes with me to a place like that.
1. No toddler likes to be stuck in a stroller all day.. .they want to run.
Yes, I agree and most places have areas where you can let your child run.


2. It's really easy for them to pull those pudgy little baby hands out of yours.
3. Who can carry a wriggling 3 year old when they are screaming, "down, down, down, down" .
Three year olds talk more than that AND by that age they are good enough to hold your hand and if you're a good parent and you don't leash your child, you will have taught them to stop in their tracks when you say 'Stop'.


4. In a crowded fair or amusement park it's just to easy to turn for just a second or get bumped by someone and distracted and your baby is just gone.
Toddlers should be in a stroller or carried in crowds....PERIOD!


5. Toddlers just don't understand that they can get lost... they don't know what that means.... they figure if they wonder over this direction mom will follow.....
And you sure as **** should follow!!! You should have your eyes or your hands on your child in public every second....PERIOD! That's just simple parenting. PAY ATTENTION TO YOUR CHILDREN PEOPLE!!!!


Let them stare and disapprove.... who cares what strangers think your baby will be going home with you at the end of the day and you all had a wonderful family outing.
Oh believe me, we don't stare. Seeing a child treated like a dog is much too sad to look at.

ra11en
07-14-2010, 01:53 PM
Charliesmommy - I was shocked when I read your first response. Your revised response was much more of what I expected.

I absolutely detest those leashes. Lazy is right. I have a 3 year old daughter so from experience I know how FAST they run, how they hate being restrained in a stroller, etc. I invested a lot of time and effort to TEACH her to stay close to mommy/daddy, listen to us when we are out in public, and consequences of when she doesn't. We go to carnivals/amusement parks/zoos/etc - and NOT ONCE has she gotten far enough away from me to be lost or snatched. Because I am focused entirely on her and her safety.

Those leashes are exactly the same theory as for your dog - so not right for a child!

To each his own. But yeah, the stares you'll get are from parents that know they are NOT necessary and are a sign of laziness.

freckles
07-14-2010, 03:19 PM
This is still going on? lol

My friend is nearly blind. She uses one for her child.
A lady who experiences seizures might use one.
A mother with more than one child might use one. I have three kids but I dont use one. Anyways, its an option for moms so whats the point in worrying about other moms do?

H.Starr
07-14-2010, 03:35 PM
Anyways, its an option for moms so whats the point in worrying about other moms do?

This is faulty logic.
Don't we care when moms beat their children? Or keep them locked in cages?
But it's okay to care when they treat their kids like dogs THOSE ways, but not by walking them on leashes?

Every good parent is disgusted by bad parenting.
Hence why leashes on children is so disgusting to so many of us.

wicked witch
07-14-2010, 03:40 PM
IMO - they are dangerous and shouldn't be used. HOLD YOUR CHILD'S HAND FOR CRYING OUT LOUD! Really, you are the parent and if the child doesn't want to hold your hand, then put their little butt in the stroller and that is the end of it. I wouldn't give a 2 year old any more options than walking nicely while holding onto my hand or sitting in the stroller.

NaomiK
07-14-2010, 03:46 PM
IMO - they are dangerous and shouldn't be used. HOLD YOUR CHILD'S HAND FOR CRYING OUT LOUD! Really, you are the parent and if the child doesn't want to hold your hand, then put their little butt in the stroller and that is the end of it. I wouldn't give a 2 year old any more options than walking nicely while holding onto my hand or sitting in the stroller.

Yes. This. I think it is far more important to teach your child to stay close to you, and that it isnt safe OR acceptable to do otherwise. If my child choses not to listen, she goes in the stroller or we leave.

I also think the leashes can give a false sense of security. I have seen MANY parents with their children on leashes NOT paying attention to them at all. It is never ok to turn your back on your child in public. A leash doesnt make it impossible for someone to snatch them.

And what happens when your five year old wanders off because she is so used to being on a leash and just doesnt pay attention?

wicked witch
07-14-2010, 03:52 PM
Yes. This. I think it is far more important to teach your child to stay close to you, and that it isnt safe OR acceptable to do otherwise. If my child choses not to listen, she goes in the stroller or we leave.

I also think the leashes can give a false sense of security. I have seen MANY parents with their children on leashes NOT paying attention to them at all. It is never ok to turn your back on your child in public. A leash doesnt make it impossible for someone to snatch them.

And what happens when your five year old wanders off because she is so used to being on a leash and just doesnt pay attention?

Exactly the possibilities are endless. You could have your toddler eating cigarette butts out of a public ashtray because you thought they were safely on their leash. They could touch something sticky and icky without you realizing it because you assumed that they were safe on their leash. A leash is not the same as teaching your child to stay near you and just plain old fashoned paying attention to your kid!

charliesmommy
07-14-2010, 04:00 PM
This is faulty logic.
Don't we care when moms beat their children? Or keep them locked in cages?
But it's okay to care when they treat their kids like dogs THOSE ways, but not by walking them on leashes?

Every good parent is disgusted by bad parenting.
Hence why leashes on children is so disgusting to so many of us.

Right?! Haha! Love it!

Finally I have some backup here! I was beginning to feel like all hope was lost for kids. Leashing your kid is lazy and an excuse for parents not to have to pay too much attention to their kids. If you're not going to enjoy your time out with your kid 100%....STAY HOME!

H.Starr
07-14-2010, 04:10 PM
Exactly, CharliesMommy.
If you're too lazy to be a proper parent, don't be one at all. Buy a dog instead.

freckles
07-14-2010, 05:11 PM
Judgmental smirks and lack of support from mothers of only one child never surprise me. In my journey of motherhood and having three kids, you loosen up a little. There are sick babies dying in this world and you all are calling these kids dogs. Sad.

My friend is blind and she uses one but you are calling her parenting lazy. Get over yourself.

mommywarrior
07-14-2010, 05:16 PM
I love my harness for my son! He is one of those very independent, spirited one's and if I put him down he is off like a shot! I love the harnesses because its gives you the restraint and safety of a stroller but also the child gets some exercise. My son would go crazy if he was in a stroller all the time.

wicked witch
07-14-2010, 05:20 PM
Sorry, but I have more than 1 child and still don't see any need for them. My boys are spirited and love to move around too, but I have taught them that if they want to walk, they need to hold my hand and stay close by me. If they can't hold my hand and walk nicely, then their punishment is to go into the stroller. If they scream and carry on while in the stroller, then we go home. It is that simple. I am the boss not my children!

ra11en
07-14-2010, 05:34 PM
Arrogance of parents that have more than 1 child because having more than 1 somehow just automatically makes you a better parent (NOT) doesn't surprise me anymore either.

I don't care if you have 1 or 5 - leashes are for lazy parents. Obviously being blind is a different case altogether, get real.

Good for you for "loosening up" and justifying your bad parenting habits with it! You should be so proud!

freckles
07-14-2010, 06:08 PM
Arrogant? lol I prefer confident.
Bad parenting habits? lol Thanks for proving my poiont.

Jayney
07-14-2010, 06:21 PM
Aww, I hate when great debates turn rude...

I have never used one, never even considered it, but I live in Cleveland and I see them all over. The thought, "Oh just hold their hand" does go through my mind on occasion when I'm carrying around my almost three year old and he keeps demanding that I let him down, but to each his own.

What do you guys think of baby carriers? I mean, if you think about it...it's kind of like wearing your baby like a sweater. Are they for 'lazy' parents? Sorry if I sound short, I'm still getting back into swing with BFing and typing, lol.

Jayney
07-14-2010, 06:24 PM
Oh! And 'opine' means to express an opinion. ;)

wicked witch
07-14-2010, 06:27 PM
Arrogant? lol I prefer confident.
Bad parenting habits? lol Thanks for proving my poiont.

Now I know that this comment couldn't have been directed at me, because I am obviously a much better mother than you according to your logic. I have 4 kids!

NaomiK
07-14-2010, 07:19 PM
The ability to push kids out of your crotch doesnt automatically make you a good or better parent. I am not saying anyone here is a bad parent, but come on. That was uncalled for. So if H.Starr or charliesmommy had 3 kids, their comments would be ok?

Blind is obviously an exception, and no one called anyone a dog. They simply said that putting your child on a leash is LIKE treating your kid like a dog. They were make those comments about the parents. Not the children themselves. Obviously, the child doesnt make the decision.

I only have one child, but I am also confident in my abilities as a parent. I am so confident in fact, that I dont feel the need for a leash. I am confident that I can teach my child how to stand by me and hold my hand because she respects me and I respect her. Putting your child on a leash teaches them absolutely nothing.

ra11en
07-14-2010, 07:36 PM
A baby carrier is vastly different than a leash. A baby in a carrier cannot walk, and is usually too young to be taught to listen and follow directions. A child on a leash can be taught to hold on to a stroller if they don't want to be in it, hold a parent's hand, and listen to directions. Vastly different.

The OP asked for opinion on child leashes, and that's what we gave.

A dog wears a leash/harness - not too hard to realize that a child lease/harness is the same thing considering they have the same name.

Like Nae said - confidence can come from a parent of 1 just like one of more than 1. Good parenting is good parenting, regardless of how many kids. Teach your child, and focus on THEM when you're out with them - it's amazing how well behaved and how fun it can be!

Jayney
07-14-2010, 07:38 PM
The baby carrier thing was a joke, btw. :)

ra11en
07-14-2010, 09:32 PM
The baby carrier thing was a joke, btw. :)

LOL - thanks for pointing that out - hard to tell on this forum considering other "examples" pointed out.

charliesmommy
07-14-2010, 10:45 PM
Judgmental smirks and lack of support from mothers of only one child never surprise me. In my journey of motherhood and having three kids, you loosen up a little. There are sick babies dying in this world and you all are calling these kids dogs. Sad.

My friend is blind and she uses one but you are calling her parenting lazy. Get over yourself.

We're not calling the kids dogs. We're saying that they are being treated like dogs.

I know for a fact that if I had more kids I wouldn't use them either. Just because I only have one child doesn't mean that I don't know how to handle more than one.

Leashes are for lazy parents. They make you look like a dumb ass who doesn't know how to teach her kids to stay close or what is or isn't dangerous. Lazy, lazy, lazy!

charliesmommy
07-14-2010, 10:46 PM
Oh! And 'opine' means to express an opinion. ;)

haha! That was a joke too. :)

What part of Cleveland are you in Jayney? PM me if you don't want to post. I'm from the Cleveland area too.

Are you getting a little sick of that ass Labron yet? hehe

Jayney
07-15-2010, 08:20 AM
I couldn't PM you if I tried, lol. I'm horrible with this site, I can make threads and leave "quick replies" but that is the extent of my knowledge.

I have to say though, it's nice to get a little conversation going here. I wish people would come on here more often! I just had my second son a little over three weeks ago, so this is pretty much the only adult conversation I get!

Aaaaaaaaannnnnnnnndddddddd, don't get me started on Lebron. :/

charliesmommy
07-15-2010, 08:33 AM
Here's how to turn pm's on.

Got to 'User profile' right next to where it say 'Welcome Jayney'
On the left you'll see 'Edit Options' click that
Scroll down and check the box next to 'enable pm's'

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Jayney
07-15-2010, 10:09 AM
Charliesmommy- I did attempt to send you a message. It made me log in twice to do so, so if you don't get it let me know and I'll just post it on here.

charliesmommy
07-15-2010, 10:29 AM
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alissa1979
07-15-2010, 02:39 PM
Heather - congratulations - I did not know you were expecting again - haven't been on much myself until recently.

H.Starr
07-15-2010, 02:42 PM
Thanks! Due in October. :)
Yeah, I just logged in yesterday for the first time since January. It's nice(and sad) to see nothing has really changed while I was gone. :)

mommywarrior
07-15-2010, 04:15 PM
I agree that a leash can give you a fasl sense of security, but so can a stroller. I have seen parents walk as much as 50 feet away from their stroller. My son loves riding in his stroller and because of this, I would never ever want to make it a place of punishment. We don't always use the harness but there are times where we go places that are super busy or have a lot of tempting things to touch but we don't want him to have to be confined to a stroller. This way he gets to walk. We are working on teaching him to walk by us but he isn't there yet and I don't want to risk it in a place where he could get lost or worse. I personally don't see anything wrong with it so long as parents use it responsibly. I never drag my child or pull my child. If he starts to go too far I grab his hand. It's just a precaution, and I feel good that my son can walk around and get some extra exercise. Even the best parents have lost their kids places. Its a way to help make sure that it doesn't happen.

A lot of people think it's terrible to make their child wear a harness because that's what we do for dogs but WHY do we do it for dogs??

Even the most well trained dog is required to wear a leash most places. Its a way to keep them safe because we love them!

It's the same concept with the child harness. I don't think it's wrong to veiw it that way because my dog is precious to our family and though he'd be fine off leash, I don't risk it. And I feel the same about my child.

lismom2
07-15-2010, 04:28 PM
I agree that a leash can give you a fasl sense of security, but so can a stroller. I have seen parents walk as much as 50 feet away from their stroller. My son loves riding in his stroller and because of this, I would never ever want to make it a place of punishment. We don't always use the harness but there are times where we go places that are super busy or have a lot of tempting things to touch but we don't want him to have to be confined to a stroller. This way he gets to walk. We are working on teaching him to walk by us but he isn't there yet and I don't want to risk it in a place where he could get lost or worse. I personally don't see anything wrong with it so long as parents use it responsibly. I never drag my child or pull my child. If he starts to go too far I grab his hand. It's just a precaution, and I feel good that my son can walk around and get some extra exercise. Even the best parents have lost their kids places. Its a way to help make sure that it doesn't happen.


Well put. Child backpacks are a tool. Yes they can be used inappropriately, but they aren't awful and parents that use them are not awful. We have one and have used it in the appropriate situation, just like we use the stroller and the boba carrier. I would hardly call myself a lazy parent.

Sasha at Parenting.com
07-15-2010, 04:41 PM
Hi all,

Just popping in to remind you to keep your replies focused on the original post -- your opinion of child harnesses -- instead of attacking other users. Personal attacks violate our user guidelines (http://forums.parenting.com/showthread.php?t=1577). Please, everyone, let's keep it respectful.

Thanks,
Sasha

ewoods
07-15-2010, 05:19 PM
I personally dislike those child leashes, but not because of any association with dogs. After all, is a crib really that much different than a dog kennel?

My problem with the leashes is that it's too easy for a parent to use it as an excuse to not actually pay attention to their child. If the place is so crowded that you can't risk your child leaving your side, does keeping him on a 5-foot leash really make you feel better? I agree with other posters that it's far better to simply teach your child to stay by your side. It may take more work up front, but it's worth it in the end. My ex-wife has a leash for our two-year-old son and uses it all the time, even in uncrowded places. I worked hard to teach our son to stay beside me and hold my hand. I don't think she realizes that he doesn't even need the leash.

In very crowded places where I just don't feel comfortable with him getting away from me, I'll use a Kelty backpack carrier, the kind where he sits high up on my back. It's not much different than him riding on my shoulders. He loves that he's up high up and can see over everything, I get some good exercise, and I can keep water, snacks, and diapers in the backpack area. It also doubles as a seat for him if I have to set him down. The best part is that if he wants to get out and walk, I'm not stuck pushing an empty stroller, I'm just carrying a backpack.

charliesmommy
07-16-2010, 08:55 AM
Cribs are to keep a baby safe while you and your baby are sleeping. Dog crates are to keep your house safe from the dog.

The same thing goes for dog leashes. You are required to leash your dog so that you can keep it from possibly hurting others. Kid leashes are used while the parent is there with the child. Unless you have a special needs child or you have special needs, they make those who use them look lazy.

I am 42 years old and have an almost 3 year old. My husband is 51. We have no problem keeping our son safe without using a leash.

allisonb
07-16-2010, 09:49 AM
This has gotten so ridiculous. Just because some people choose to use a baby "leash" doesn't make them lazy parents. If they don't pay any attention to their child and just use the leash so they won't run too far away, sure, that's lazy, but to say any parent who uses the leash is lazy is about as judgemental as can be. I don't have one for dd, but sometimes in the morning when I'm taking her out to the car and she lets go of my hand and goes running up the sidewalk, I wish I did have something to reign her butt back in since I'm almost 8 months pregnant and she runs really fast! Stop being so damn judgemental of other people when you don't know their situation.

ewoods
07-16-2010, 11:41 AM
Cribs are to keep a baby safe while you and your baby are sleeping. Dog crates are to keep your house safe from the dog.

The same thing goes for dog leashes. You are required to leash your dog so that you can keep it from possibly hurting others. Kid leashes are used while the parent is there with the child.

Exactly the point I was trying to make. Cribs and dog kennels have similar forms but different functions, as do child leashes and dogs leashes. They may look similar but they serve different purposes, so to compare the two is only somewhat accurate.

Ultimately, I agree with your position. I can't stand that my ex-wife uses one on our child and I simply don't understand the need for one.


Just because some people choose to use a baby "leash" doesn't make them lazy parents. If they don't pay any attention to their child and just use the leash so they won't run too far away, sure, that's lazy, but to say any parent who uses the leash is lazy is about as judgemental as can be.

I think the point that some people are trying to make is that these leashes make it too easy to not pay attention to your child. If you're using a leash and paying careful attention to your child, why do you need the leash in the first place? Unless, as charliesmommy said, you or your child have some sort of special needs or extraordinary circumstances.

alissa1979
07-16-2010, 11:59 AM
I personally am not planning to use one with my daughter (she is only 8 months now) - I was a toddler teacher for several years, and managed to move a group of 12 toddlers to and from the playground, for fire drills, and for potty breaks without the use of leashes, by teaching everyone how to hold hands with a partner to stay safe (of course we had several adults present for safety reasons). If I could handle a group without leashes, I am sure I can handle one without a leash. I do think that if you choose to use a leash, it is important to not overuse it (just like not leaving baby in the playpen all day) and make sure to also teach your child about safety and holding hands.

H.Starr
07-16-2010, 01:19 PM
I think the point that some people are trying to make is that these leashes make it too easy to not pay attention to your child. If you're using a leash and paying careful attention to your child, why do you need the leash in the first place? Unless, as charliesmommy said, you or your child have some sort of special needs or extraordinary circumstances.

Well said.
It is your responsibility as a parent to pay attention to your child, AND to actually teach them how to behave properly.
By using a leash, you don't have to pay attention, and you aren't teaching them anything at all.
People call it a "tool." Sure it's a tool. An unnecessary one if you just do your job.

Not to mention, if I found out my mother had put me on a leash as a child, I wouldn't be too happy about it! Really? You put me on a leash and walked me like a dog? I am sure that some of these poor leash children will end up feeling the same way later on.
Sure, they stayed safe, that's great. But they could have been safe AND not humiliated had Mom (or Dad, whatever the case may be) taken the time to bother parenting appropriately.

amcorrigan
07-16-2010, 05:35 PM
My older son, now 4, learned to walk at 9 months and would never sit still again. he refused to use a stroller, so imagine trying to walk along with a 9 month old who is in only the 20th percentile for height!! talk about sore back being all hunched over,a nd i'm only 5'5. Since he threw total complete hissy fits if we tried to strap him in anything like a stroller or grocery cart, we had to use one of these because he was so small, people didn't even see him walking in crowds, he got knocked over, kneed in the head or he would run off cause he could duck around people the way a grown up can't. We used the leash monkey backpack combo at our local aquarium and got a gamut of responses, from people accusing us of treating our child like a dog even going so far as to make comments to our faces, to people laughing at how funny it looked, but also saying it was a smart idea. I say whatever works to keep your child safe from harm, do it. It kept my son safe from falling or getting knocked over and it allowed him to walk so we could all have a good time. Where's the harm in that?

amcorrigan
07-16-2010, 05:45 PM
To all the people claiming a harness is for lazy parents, that is unkind and judgemental. At 9 months old a child does not yet understand stay with mommy, don't run away, you have to hold my hand etc etc. i can tell you he knows now, but at that age, no go. he wanted to walk, and the safest way to have him walk without me getting scoliosis from bending over to hold his hand while he did it was to also use the harness. End of story. If you don't like it fine don't use one, but take your judgemental attitudes and stick them. isn't the point of a community to help eachother out not drag eachother down??? hello it takes a village to raise a child, and those who sit on high and judge aren't helping but hindering.

ewoods
07-16-2010, 07:23 PM
To all the people claiming a harness is for lazy parents, that is unkind and judgemental.

You have to understand that some parenting methodologies are so polarized that one parent's natural and obvious way to raise a child is seen as disgusting and wrong to another. This is one of those issues. You would likely get similar responses if you asked if it was ok to spank your child or to leave them in front of the TV all day. Some parents very strongly believe that it's wrong and are willing to speak out.


As you said, this forum is about helping people, and I'd be happy to give you my advice. I think perhaps the best advice I could give you is to not give in so easily to your child's tantrums. If your child wanted cookies for dinner and threw a "complete hissy fit" does that mean you'd give him cookies? My son also threw fits when I put him in a grocery cart the first couple of times. I let him. When he realized that no amount of screaming was going to get him out of the cart, he stopped. I only had to do this twice before he figured it out. In my opinion, you didn't need one of these leashes. It was just an easier solution for you than teaching your child that he can't always get his way. I'm sorry if you see this as unkind and judgmental. Can you think of a better way to say it?

NaomiK
07-16-2010, 11:42 PM
Ewoods - Thank you! I have not read one single post of yours that was "unkind" or anything but helpful. Its nice to see a Dad be so involved.

Amcorrigan - You're right. A 9 month old wouldnt understand to stay with mommy. The point is, it is your job as a parent to TEACH him. Leashes dont teach. I DO have scoliosis and I DONT use a leash. Sorry, but that reasoning doesnt work for me. And please dont come here with you 3 posts and tell us about being on a high horse. Hang around a bit...

charliesmommy
07-17-2010, 02:37 PM
To all the people claiming a harness is for lazy parents, that is unkind and judgemental. At 9 months old a child does not yet understand stay with mommy, don't run away, you have to hold my hand etc etc. i can tell you he knows now, but at that age, no go. he wanted to walk, and the safest way to have him walk without me getting scoliosis from bending over to hold his hand while he did it was to also use the harness. End of story. If you don't like it fine don't use one, but take your judgemental attitudes and stick them. isn't the point of a community to help eachother out not drag eachother down??? hello it takes a village to raise a child, and those who sit on high and judge aren't helping but hindering.

You can't keep up with a 9 month old?! Bending over to pick up your child is going to give you scoliosis? This is insane to me!!! I am 42, have bad knees, a desease that leaves me fatigued most of the time and insanely painful sciatica and I have never found it hard to keep up with my son. This is a lame excuse to use a leash!

Zack_Jenn
07-17-2010, 03:28 PM
When my daughter was 18 months old (she is 3 1/2 now) she weasled herself away from a group of 9 adults (and believe me every milisecond is etched permanently into my mind!!!) It was dark and there were tons of people around (we were at a county fair). She got clear across 2 parking lots, a field and was trying to climb in with the cows when someone finally located her (less than 5 minutes total time). It was after that that I purchased my "leashes." Any crowded public place that I go to I take these with me, neither of my older kids (3 1/2 girl & 2 1/2 boy) try to escape anymore, but it gives me piece of mind to know that I can hold on and they can have their freedom without the risk of this happening again.

Any parent that doesn't use one has never experienced the heart wrenching moment when your child is sincerely in danger because your all just wasn't enough. (No one that knows me would say I don't pay attention to my kids or am a lazy parent) Also it is great to have when my children go out with their grandparents. (We love them but they are extremely overweight and can barely handle them inside a house) Again the kids don't run off, they know better, but I know TOO WELL what can happen in a split second!

charliesmommy
07-19-2010, 08:59 AM
That would NEVER EVER....EVER happen to me because MY CHILD IS MY FIRST PRIORITY AND I DO NOT LET HIM OUT OF MY SITE. LET ALONE IN A CROWDED PLACE!!! This goes back to the fact that kids should be in strollers or carried in crowds! How hard is it people?!

Really? A split second? Your kid at 18 months made it THAT far away from you in a split second???? I very highly doubt that! Unless, of course your kid is destined to become the next gold medalist in sprinting. Ugh!

NaomiK
07-19-2010, 09:14 AM
I'm sorry to hear that happened Zach_Jenn. I'm sure it was horrific for you. I kinda have to agree with Chariliesmommy though. My daughter never leaves my sight. I cant say she has never tried, or that she has never broken free from my hand to take off running, BUT I am right there behind her. There is no way in hell she would get away from me without my knowledge. My eyes are constantly on her. And 18 months old is just too young to be around a crowd of people and not have to hold a hand imo.

bsoxman
07-19-2010, 02:31 PM
We use the Eddie Bauer monkey harness leash. I think its totally ridiculous, and it feels like I’m walking my son. He was born hard of hearing, so hearing aids or not the kid simply can not hear me calling after him when he chases a bird, dog or bulldozer.

I love seeing all of the support for kiddy harnessing here because I encounter no less than 2 comments every time we use it, from “we never needed to leash our kids” to “what’s wrong with parents these days.” Then when they see me put in his hearing aids or use sign language with him they do their best to avoid us for the remainder of our stay. I just smile and make eye contact. Judge not lest ye be judged there lady in the red shirt. And frankly? Even if he was hearing, mind your own business. If you’re so perfect, write a book but leave me alone when I’m at the freaking zoo or playground!!!

MISSESJOY
07-19-2010, 06:34 PM
I know I used to be one of those ignorant childless individuals to judge a parent using a "leash" on their kid. Now that I have two girls, I know how unpredictable my children and the world can be, therefore changing my view on the matter completely. I really don't care about the judgmental glares I get if one of my children are on a leash, but at least I have the peace of mind that my child will not dart into the busy street when I turn away for a half second. My father witnessed a child get run over by a garbage truck a few weeks ago and it was because the toddler made a sudden dash across the street. Nothing strikes more fear in my heart than when I see my child heading toward the street or a busy parking lot when I have another child in my arms or am too slow to respond. You can't force a toddler to understand that since they act primarily on impulse! A leash is more a preventative tactic than a restrictive device. If anything, it allows them to run and play from a safe distance. If play pens and play yards are widely accepted, why can't leashes be too? Playpens are nothing but glorified kid kennels right?

Zack_Jenn
07-19-2010, 06:56 PM
My daughter was holding her Uncle Chris's hand, she wasn't galavanting in and out of the crowd with me having a vague idea of where she was. She yanked her arm down and off she went. Kids weave in and out of people's legs at a speed that no adult (even a gold-metalist) could match! (she'd been running, no joke running, since she was 9 months old) I was yelling at people to get out of my way and running for her and all 9 of us plus tons of other people were looking for her when she completely disappeared out of sight. I cannot begin to even tell you of the horror that was in my heart and mind in that moment! And I sure hope you never have to experience anything like it!

I don't use them to keep my kids in line, I use them to keep my peace of mind. I'm not uninvolved, I'm not inobservant and I'm not lazy when it comes to my children, they hold nearly every piece of my heart in their little hands and my world would end if anything happened to them that I could prevent.

ewoods
07-19-2010, 08:24 PM
I can't help but question how effective a leash would have truly been in the situation you've described.


She yanked her arm down and off she went.

Had she been in a leash, couldn't she just as easily have ran full-force ahead and yanked the leash out of her uncle's hand? Even if she failed to get away, wouldn't there have been a risk of injury, either to her or her uncle, when she was suddenly pulled backwards? I've seen dogs on leashes sprint off towards something and end up flat on their backs when they reach the end of the leash and the owner is still holding on. I also have a friend who ended up with a dislocated shoulder and broken wrist when his 20-pound Jack Russell terrier decided to try to chase a squirrel.


Kids weave in and out of people's legs at a speed that no adult (even a gold-metalist) could match!

If the crowd was so dense that she was running between people's legs and you had to push people aside to get to her, wouldn't the leash have posed more of a hazard? Members of the crowd could trip over it and drag her down, or even yank the leash out of your hand. I hate to go back to the dog analogy, but anyone who has ever tried to walk a dog through a dense crowd knows how easy it is for the leash to get tangled up in people's feet.


I don't use them to keep my kids in line, I use them to keep my peace of mind.

In my opinion, this is precisely what's wrong with child leashes. They provide false peace of mind in the same way that the lock on your front door provides you with a false sense of security. As long as your windows are made of glass, a determined thief will be able to break in, just as a determined child will find a way to get free, with or without a leash on.

Please understand that I'm not at all trying to diminish what you went through. I just have a hard time imaging a scenario in which my child would truly be safer by using a leash. I'm sorry that you had to experience this. I can't imagine how frightening it must have been, nor can I pretend to know exactly what the situation was like. As they say, hindsight is 20/20.

H.Starr
07-19-2010, 10:09 PM
ewoods, I don't think I've ever read a post from you that I haven't agreed with completely.

6bymomma
07-20-2010, 01:15 AM
I have 6 kids I own one of these pink dogs for my two year old. I like to giver her the choice walk or ride in the stroller / or backpack I even in crowed events have had my older children hold onto a daycare type rope with rings. Kids will be kids and wonder. But the older kids stay on point when the rope is out the 2 yr likes to have a choice so I think it's fine. I am always wearing a baby pushing a baby &/orholding a rope lol

MrsBurke
07-20-2010, 05:38 AM
My hubby insisted on using a leash every time we go out in a crowded place when dear daughter is only 3 until 5, we're really scared we would lose her. Parents looked at us funny but some nodded in approval.

charliesmommy
07-20-2010, 08:23 AM
My daughter was holding her Uncle Chris's hand, she wasn't galavanting in and out of the crowd with me having a vague idea of where she was. She yanked her arm down and off she went. Kids weave in and out of people's legs at a speed that no adult (even a gold-metalist) could match! (she'd been running, no joke running, since she was 9 months old) I was yelling at people to get out of my way and running for her and all 9 of us plus tons of other people were looking for her when she completely disappeared out of sight. I cannot begin to even tell you of the horror that was in my heart and mind in that moment! And I sure hope you never have to experience anything like it!

I don't use them to keep my kids in line, I use them to keep my peace of mind. I'm not uninvolved, I'm not inobservant and I'm not lazy when it comes to my children, they hold nearly every piece of my heart in their little hands and my world would end if anything happened to them that I could prevent.

I still stick by what I said to begin with. At that age your kid should have either been in a stroller or someone should have been holding her. A leash is not the answer.

wicked witch
07-20-2010, 10:35 AM
These leashes are so great that they even made the Ridiculouse Parenting Products list from Parenting Magazine, the people who run this forum. Click the link to check out what they had to say about the leashes.
http://www.parenting.com/gallery/Mom/Ridiculous-Parenting-Products/19/

Jayney
07-20-2010, 10:40 AM
Wicked witch- that gave me a good laugh. :)

charliesmommy
07-20-2010, 11:07 AM
Ha! You beat me to it WW!

wicked witch
07-20-2010, 11:11 AM
What can I say, I have a hard time keeping my mouth shut!

H.Starr
07-20-2010, 12:15 PM
Wow. When even Parenting says an idea is a bad one, you KNOW it's bad! Haha.

alissa1979
07-20-2010, 12:44 PM
ewoods, I don't think I've ever read a post from you that I haven't agreed with completely.

I was thinking the same thing!

wicked witch
07-20-2010, 03:02 PM
I'm surprised that there isn't a witty comeback to Parenting saying that they are bad. Anyone? Anyone?

H.Starr
07-20-2010, 03:26 PM
Plenty of lazy parents commented on the actual article saying Parenting was wrong, and that leashes are great.

Jayney
07-20-2010, 08:41 PM
I need to comment on a few of their comments. :)

"I would like to see you teach my determined toddler to hold hands and stay where I tell him"

...Seriously? I managed to teach my son that by the time he was 20 months old, why can't you?

"how many times do you pay for something at a gift shop in the airport and let go of you childs hand to pay"

Never! That's the point! I don't let go of my son's hand! THAT IS DANGEROUS!

"I agree with all of you about the doggie backpack/harness."

So, you agree it is for dogs...

"I bought a doggie backpack/harness for my kids to use"

And another person agrees...

---Millions of parents manage to keep their kids safe without them. When it comes to parenting, my philosophy is to let people take care of their kids however they please (within reason...) but this is just ludicrous to me. Their arguments don't even make sense.

charliesmommy
07-21-2010, 08:30 AM
Lazy, Lazy....Lazy!!!

My boss and his wife have three boys all three years apart. They never used a leash on any of them.

Zefsmom
07-24-2010, 10:16 PM
Hi everyone I'm new to the site and just had my 1st baby, he's only 3 months old so at this time I obviously have no need to use the harness. I respect the opinions of those who use it but I also respect the opinions of those who don't. Ultimately you do what you think is best for you and your baby. What I'm having an issue with is people who are calling others "lazy parents" simply because they are doing something that they themselves don't believe in. Is it necessary to take it to the level of name calling and labeling?

charliesmommy
07-25-2010, 10:29 AM
I don't think that saying someone is lazy for using a leash on their child is really name calling. Your baby is only 3 months old. Wait a bit and you'll see what I mean. Their is such a thing as lazy parenting and leashing your perfectly healthy child is exactly that....lazy!

mum2mum
07-26-2010, 02:29 AM
some people do not know some kids' behavior are just different. i think more importantly is that both you and your child are safe and comfortable. some parents lose their kids because they never use that.

having said that, i never use one (so far) because there isn't a need to. but i definitely can understand why some parents use that. so, just go on and use and be happy to keep your child near you.

meme.richards
07-27-2010, 06:03 AM
I am a grandmother of 8 and one has autism. I would not have been able to take him to the park with the rest of the children without his "leash". I have had hip surgery on both hips and have problems walking. I could not run to catch him when he breaks loose of my hand and runs with joy. With the "leash" he could have his freedom and staay safe. NO Grandparent should be without one where small children are concerned.

charliesmommy
07-27-2010, 08:13 AM
If you are alone with your autistic grandchild, that is one thing. But, with 7 other kids around, he should not need to be leashed. The other kids should help you keep an eye on him.

I would never allow my mother to leash my son and she would never think about doing it.

What Should You Do
07-27-2010, 06:50 PM
I started using " a leash' 30 years ago. I had to get one from Britain. My friends gave me a hard time, but my kids did not get lost either.
The brand I recommend is called a kid keeper and many other have backpacks attatched and are good also. whenever I speak to parents I reccomend using them out in public with toddlers who are walking. You can also clip themon your belt or stroller if you need a free hand for a moment while out and about.
Melinda Tripp,
Abduction Prevention and Safety Educator
Author
What Should You Do? Helping Children Protect Themselves in the Twenty-First
Century Tatepublishing.com

ewoods
07-27-2010, 07:17 PM
My friends gave me a hard time, but my kids did not get lost either.

My mother never used a leash on me, and I didn't get lost. I've never used one on my son, and he's never gotten lost. Correlation does not imply causation.

Jayney
07-27-2010, 07:19 PM
It is entirely possible to keep your child safe without a harness. If you do not feel that you can keep your child safe without leashing them, probably shouldn't have had kids.

charliesmommy
07-28-2010, 09:45 AM
My mother never used a leash on me, and I didn't get lost. I've never used one on my son, and he's never gotten lost. Correlation does not imply causation.

Ditto!!!! :)

lou
07-28-2010, 05:25 PM
The trend I see among the people defending the use of leashes is that the leashes provide worried parents with "peace of mind". In fact that is the sole purpose of the device. Leashes do not protect children from danger or potential danger. That is a parent’s job. The human race has survived millennia without the dehumanizing act of "walking" our children.
By implementing the use of a leash parents divest themselves of the responsibility of protecting their children and relegate that responsibility to a device.
I feel parent's opinions and actions are too easily distorted and controlled by a fear inducing media. If a company can make it appear as though children's lives are in constant peril and depend on the use of a particular contrivance, then not only does the company profit from paranoid parents but people can also rationalize handing over their parental obligations to a device that appears to be “keeping their child safe".

SO....parents considering the tedency for toddlers to bite and the risk of spreading infections I think you all ought to rush out and buy my newest invention, muzzles for your children. they'll make a great addition to the leash!

lou
07-28-2010, 07:03 PM
further, not only do leashes provide parents with a false sense of security, but the children on them do not learn self control or to be aware and cautious of their surroundings. so what happens when a distracted parent with their leashed child steps out into traffic? the unsuspecting, unaware child is drug over the proverbial cliff right along with their parent.

Musiqphunksoulja@gmail.com
08-04-2010, 01:20 AM
I personally think it's funny when I see a child on a leash...but I don't see anything wrong with them. I understand that some parents have a hard time keeping curious, high-energy, explorative (is that a word?) children near by, especially if they have several young children.
A leash can be a great tool in the beginning while you are teaching your child rules and how to behave when in public. You can put them on the leash and let them know that if they stay near by without struggling against their harness or trying to take it off, that you will allow them on another day to go out without being strapped near you. When you do allow them without one, you can always start in a small location with few people.
I have a 2 1/2 and a 4 month old...but I've never used one. I've taught my daughter the importance of staying near me so that she does not get lost, of not talking to strangers without an adult she knows being present, of being near me so that she can avoid cars in the parking lot, etc...and she listens pretty well. She's has tested me a few times and knows that if she is not able to follow the rules that she will either have her privelege of walking on her own like a big girl taken and instead will be strapped into a stroller/cart or be held within my arms.
When where we are in areas that are safer for her to wander a bit farther from me, she knows that she must stay within my eyesight. And if she wanders to far or I can no longer see her, I just give her a simple reminder and that does the trick.

Jaydenzmommi
08-06-2010, 11:51 PM
I think that its ridiculous that because people put children on a leash, they are being judged as lazy parents. I personally don't use one though I have thought about it, but im sure most people have good reasons to put their child on a leash and most are not just lazy. I know someone who has a 3 year old boy with behavioral problems and developmental delays and she uses a leash when she goes into crowded areas because it makes her feel secure that he cant get lost. Thats the reason most people use them is to feel secure that their child wont get lost or taken from them. Not all kids are the same and its unfair to judge. It does not make a person lazy & I think it makes a person look like an ass for judging so quickly.

phoenix316
08-08-2010, 03:39 AM
I have a runner - she has been since she was 2. At almost 3.5 she still loves to just go. She does not like being in the stroller or the cart most of the time and the harnesses are a must. Yes, I get some odd looks, but I don't care. I know where she is and when shopping I can actually look at the products I want to buy without wondering where she went. She isn't much for holding hands either. Never has been despite my best efforts. I just have an explorer. Many times I have kept her from running into the street or getting too close to the edge of some body of water. DH isn't fond of them, but he's not the one having to keep an eye on her most of the time. And she really loves hers - it's Mickey Mouse who is her friend. It gives her freedom and me peace of mind. If I had a clingy child and not an explorer, I wouldn't feel the need for it, but she's very independent.

Jayney
08-08-2010, 08:49 AM
Most kids are explorers. My almost three year old loves to be off on his own, doesn't like to hold my hand, certainly doesn't like his stroller, loves learning and exploring new things everyday....but that doesn't mean I have to use a harness. He KNOWS he is not to run towards a road or a body of water because I have taught him well. He knows that if he doesn't hold my hand, there will be big consequences. At what age do you start properly teaching your child how to behave? All you are doing is pulling him back, that doesn't teach him. My son stopped trying to run off by the time he turned two because it was drilled into his head that he does not run away from Mommy.

MaryAlbright
08-08-2010, 11:33 AM
I use one! I think it's a great way to keep your kids safe while out in public. As far as people giving me odd looks, I don't care - I know it looks kind of funny to have your kid on a leash, but if it keeps them safe it's worth it. I don't care what other people think.